.............PS I'm still waiting to cut some trees BobW
The unauthorized trails at KVSP will soon be blocked off and posted as such, per Rocky the park superintendent. To say that he's p***** off would be an understatement. God help the people responsible if he ever catches them in the act.
In regards to the illegal trails at KVSP: Are the, what look to be newer trails in the southern part, off of the red trail, near the DPW building, illegal?
I've seen a ton of new trails off of the Waterloo rail trail at Allamuchy. Some are in between the beginning of the white and the beginning of the red. The other trails (and there is a big network in there) are past the blue entrances on the same side. The trails are absolutely useless and not fun.
PS I'm still waiting to cut some trees BobW
This is a good point, AJ. I saw Brett right after the the rogue trails were discovered (he can clarify, but I think it was he was riding KVSP the day before, no rogue trails, and the following morning they appeared). He said he immediately went to the Park Office and reported them, as a mountain biker. As far as I know, he left his name and number, and offered to help, but was never contacted in return.I don't think Rocky will ever catch the folks responsible unless he gets out of his vehicle once in a while and walks around the trail system. I don't think I have ever seen him or any other ranger on any of the trails there....If the reason for this is lack of manpower, perhaps it would be in our community's interest to remind them that we can act as "eyes and ears" for them as well. Maybe JORBA should ask them if they want our input into unofficial reports (phone calls) from the trails if we see something not right so they have a better idea of the state of the park. I think this would make us a valuable resource outside of TM.
I would like to think this "self policing" helps our cause. It did with Allaire...
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We don't want to be a pain in the ass calling them all the time if a rock is out of place, but if they want unofficial trail reports we can definitely give them what they want (dumping, illegal trails, party fire pits in the middle of the woods, quad usage, paintball, etc). Also, I would say "unofficial" because no one wants to call them and have to give all your information everytime to fill out those official detailed complaint reports. Perhaps it might be enough to let them know that a JORBA person is calling and noticed evidence of dumping at Location X or an illegal fire pit at Location Y, etc.
... i have the park police # in my phone for all of morris and for ringwood.
good advice - both Allamuchy Joe and I have park police for Mahlon, KVSP, and Allamuchy on our cells - just in case
i guess i can sort of chime in here. illegal trail building sucks, and will stop others from riding the parks but coming from the dh world i know plenty of illegal riding spots, and people who make them. but they are kept on the dl. is it wrong to have fun freeride features in ringwood? the trails they are on are not legal, and off the map. hell some of them the only way to get to is drop in from the trail. and the people riding them arent going to get in over their head because they know they are looking for. they are most likely with someone who trusts them to keep it quiet and knows how good they are at riding. if its a feature on an xc loop i say boo but if it is off the beaten path in a huge state park then i dont see any harm. i think ratting out spots where people have fun is pretty dick, even if it is illegal.