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It would have cool if you did keep that Shimano shoes thread then because i have no idea what you're talking about. If you read only this thread, where most of JK's posts tend to end up, and it seems like everyone is teaming up on him. I don't read every post written on this board, but i do read quite a bit, and i don't get it. Whatevs.

Bonefish, my example about conservatives on another forum; i was talking about their political stance. Conservatives were constantly bashing this one liberal who, like JK, was hard to tell if he was purposely or not being thick.
 
It would have cool if you did keep that Shimano shoes thread then because i have no idea what you're talking about. If you read only this thread, where most of JK's posts tend to end up, and it seems like everyone is teaming up on him. I don't read every post written on this board, but i do read quite a bit, and i don't get it. Whatevs.

Bonefish, my example about conservatives on another forum; i was talking about their political stance. Conservatives were constantly bashing this one liberal who, like JK, was hard to tell if he was purposely or not being thick.

the shimano shoes thread was a blip. the real winter shoes thread was way, way longer than that and far more uglier.

point taken on the other forum. i just don't want people to think we go around banning people b/c they have differing opinions.
 
More Map Fun

The chad map was ok, but I like Austria better😀

I hear its a nice drive from Tittmoning, DE by way of Wupping, AT to F*cking, AT. You'll pass through Hucking, AT and Winham, AT

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Warning #1 - I'm half a beer in. It's only going to get worse as the night goes on 😉
 
Sorry, guess it's against the rules to make fun of Toyota in a thread making fun of Ford is off limits.
If I did it in more words would it be acceptable?
 
I think it's trying to point out that their business model is a bit flawed, and that's the real reason for their economic woes, and it does so with a silly parable about a canoe race. I observe you often doing the "one hit wonder" of trashing stuff you disagree with in 1-2 sentences.

If you think the Ford business model is good, or the Toyota business model is bad, by all means, offer a coherent counter argument as opposed to these terse comments which only serve as flame material. Make up a story about kayaks, I could care less.

This has nothing to do with opinion. I've let you hit countless threads with your anti-Obama rhetoric and let it go. This has to do with style.
 
There may be some truth to that. But right now is a dead season on the board. People just stop biking. I know it's hard to believe but it's true. Then you have some people who are cranky because they want to bike but the weather is bad. Add some holiday stress and it adds up to the same story every year.

It took this particular poster 77 posts to finally get the temporary ban. That's a lot of nonsense, and a lot of riff-raff, to have to wade through. Given the low amount of good discussion this time of year, it's gotten to the point where it's too much. When one of the boards best posters starts tuning out entirely, that's a bad sign.

Norm, I dont know you and you don't know me, and I'm hoping that this doesnt get me on the mtbnj "most watched list." I was going to write this a while ago, but in all seriousness how do you draw the line? I don't want to get in to a 1st amendment debate, but one persons "nonsense" could be another's peotry.
Granted I'm fairly new to this forum, and only recently (since I've just recently gotten back in biking) started being active. But in this short while, I've seen a lot of people get thrown into the bad boy box. Some justified and some I've been scratching my head over. I respect the notion that you don't like to delete posts and in some instances you'll wait a bit.

I think the following is an example of "so what if it is flame material;" let the debate begin. Nothing is going to get broken, no puches will fly, at the end of the day its just words, and most of us are adults.

"I think it's trying to point out that their business model is a bit flawed, and that's the real reason for their economic woes, and it does so with a silly parable about a canoe race. I observe you often doing the "one hit wonder" of trashing stuff you disagree with in 1-2 sentences.
If you think the Ford business model is good, or the Toyota business model is bad, by all means, offer a coherent counter argument as opposed to these terse comments which only serve as flame material. Make up a story about kayaks, I could care less.
This has nothing to do with opinion. I really believe that's exactly what this is.
I've let you hit countless threads with your anti-Obama rhetoric and let it go. This has to do with style"


As long as its not truly offensive, imoral, graphic or pornographic, let the flames fly. I understand not pissing off sponsors, or truly off color stuff, but we don't need "style points police." If thats the case call him/her out, in the forum, don't yank it and stermly tell them to 'get creative.'

I'm not trying to bash you, but I feel lately that things are becoming a little "over moderated," and I commend you for your efforts, and time spent. I just think things need to be let go a little more. Lets face it, its about to snow, we want to be outside biking, and instead we are stuck behind computers, talking about biking. Everyone is going to need a way to vent...
let the flames fly!!!
 
Thanks for the feedback. To preface, I've been dealing with various online forums for at least 10 years now and my aim is often to head trouble off at the pass, so to speak. Some comments:

but in all seriousness how do you draw the line? I don't want to get in to a 1st amendment debate, but one persons "nonsense" could be another's peotry.

I tend to tune out when First Amendment stuff gets thrown into these conversations because this isn't a free public government subsidized forum. We're privately run and privately funded. Regardless, the question is a good one, where do you draw the line? Everyone has a different line and one's history is going to dictate what goes and stays. In the end, any line will be at least partially arbitrary based on perceived history, personal beliefs, and a moderator's mood. In the end we try to maintain a collection of thoughts that are pertinent and enjoyable for as many people as we can.

But in this short while, I've seen a lot of people get thrown into the bad boy box. Some justified and some I've been scratching my head over. I respect the notion that you don't like to delete posts and in some instances you'll wait a bit.

This is seasonal. Before November I don't think anyone was int he box for 10 months. This is also from past experience here - this place has some bad history with people going stir crazy. There was some nasty stuff in the past and it always seems to flare up in Nov/Dec. By mid-winter, a subset of people have tuned out and another subset have accepted the weather. Things are better then.

As long as its not truly offensive, imoral, graphic or pornographic, let the flames fly. I understand not pissing off sponsors, or truly off color stuff, but we don't need "style points police." If thats the case call him/her out, in the forum, don't yank it and stermly tell them to 'get creative.'

The "creativity" end to yesterday's disagreement was me letting it go. My message was: Don't be a troll. The message was missed and I decided not to pursue it. I've met Luke at the picnic and he's been around a while. But I've warned him not to troll in the past and the warnings have not been heeded as I hoped. I'm getting tired of it and he fully well knows it. If he chooses to walk that line when he knows damn well this is the case, then he can't say he wasn't fully warned.

I'm also trying to be 100% transparent in all of this. I don't dislike Luke. By his own admission he comes off worse on the message board than in person. If someone posts something that gets them boxed, I don't hold it against them. I literally didn't even remember SixSeven was in the box last year. I know people do and say off things, myself included. That doesn't mean they're off. They just had an off moment, hour, day, week, etc.

I'm not trying to bash you, but I feel lately that things are becoming a little "over moderated," and I commend you for your efforts, and time spent. I just think things need to be let go a little more.

Like I said, it's seasonal. Once Jan 1 rolls around people will start to calm down and the board will be back to an empty box for a while. At least I hope. I understand that there's no solution that will make everyone happy. All you can do is split the middle and try to create an experience that will make the most people happy on most of the days. I commend you on the well thought out post, and certainly would not put you on any watch list* or anything like that. I encourage people to chime in and say what they think.

*you're going down
 
The thread title was "Lets start some trouble" but I'm a troll?! interborrang!!!‽‽‽
Stop making fun of my stature 🙁

PS I think Norm is fair
 
The thread title was "Lets start some trouble" but I'm a troll?! interborrang!!!‽‽‽

Yes. No. I know, I have no valid reply to that.

If I weren't at work I'd put myself in the box for 24 hours.
 
Norm is fair. It's a good thing that I am distracted with work projects these days, as I am the one with a hair trigger.
 
Wait! I'm also not calling you a troll. You just occasionally troll. You know what I mean dammit!
 
Wait! I'm also not calling you a troll. You just occasionally troll. You know what I mean dammit!

Norm, you're a bit touchy today. Shaggz did not accuse you.
The snow has just started. It looks beautiful and everything is good in our world.
Chill or I'm hosing you down.
 
Norm, you're a bit touchy today. Shaggz did not accuse you.
The snow has just started. It looks beautiful and everything is good in our world.
Chill or I'm hosing you down.

I was being...how you say...irreverent. I was actually replying to Luke. Steve just slipped in between my irreverence to make things seem more confused.

My reply to jimjo was legit. 2. Quit.

Ok I'm done.
 
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