update, so had the yearly physical and I was preparing for it, zero carbs for 24 hours plus the morning I ran 4 miles, no breakfast maybe a light lunch and my glucose was still 87 mg/dl which is not ketosis so I was somewhat surprised. I've been easily under 30g carbs per day with most days under 20. My theory is I probably have a too high protein intake and not enough fat but either way I'm still down 22 lbs and none of my clothes fit properly. Maybe I just need to fast for 24 hours or something. On ride days which is 2 to 3 tough hours I have 60g just in the supplement stuff, so I might hit 90g on those days but the total calories needed on the day is probably double normal. Going to try and shift the mix a bit toward more fat and see how it goes. I'm not super strict at this point because the basic premise of not eating garbage works. Cholesterol wasn't terrible at 209 (and supposed to be below 200) but most of that is from the easiest go to snack, cheese.