Who wants to build a Bike Park?
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Soundguy
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at jimmy’s house the mushrooms pay YOU
A Potted Plant
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If it is less then creak and somewhere between lets say Morris county and Manhattan 40 dollars is parking, 40 dollars for indoor bike park is cheap.
@anyone How does mountain creek deal with insurance? If Creek can be profitable an indoor bike park could as well even considering covid.
i believe they are indemnified by law/waiver as a ski resort against anything other than negligence.
not sure how to apply it to a bike park - probably the same way they are doing the indoor ski thing at xanadu/american dream.
Mountain creek has a way bigger user base too. Even though a lift ticket is expensive, you have a ton of trails / slopes to ride.
I know you guys have not been exposed to it, but indoor skateparks are nothing new. Hackettstown had a popular one in late 90’s and The incline club in Lakewood was one of the longer standing ones and that closed up a few years ago. Penn skate in Allentown is still open and going on 20 years. Pennskate allows bikes and has a number of bike specific things. However, Most indoor parks never seem to last more than 10 years, however. One of the main issues (other than insurance) is that the kids that work at the parks become friends with every one that goes there regularly and they let them for free.
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the schwartz
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Holy shit the kmart...How about a Rays in NJ? With the unfortunate closures of many stores I think converting a KMart 🙂cough) on eagle rock and prospect in west Orange is a great place.
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Also for more inspiration here's some Pittsburgh love. http://www.thewheelmill.com/
A Potted Plant
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Creek isn't a huge base its intimidating, seasonable and hardly maintained, an indoor bike park you could take a DJ, BMX, MTB, and maybe @rick81721 could take his road bike. Creak you could take a DJ(?) and mtb<Trail+. You aren't relying on weather, temperature, and maintenance could be less, on top of that you wont have to drive to west bumblefuck.
The thing with friends letting people in for free doesn't fly, I don't think I paid for a movie ticket or popcorn till I was 21 due to friends and that place stayed open.
The ski side of creek is what makes it possible, if there wasn’t that, it wouldn’t be there.
Highland is the only one I know for certain. There are a few others around the country that I know are bike specific parks however I don’t know how extensive it is. Pretty sure there is one in NC and I think one just opened up in Texas of all places.
Highland, Kanuga, Windrock, Spider Mountain, etc.
Ski industry is getting ripped apart right now too. Everyone is getting bought up by the 2 big boys and they're offsetting their losses with other resorts depending on the weather. I could see ski resorts shuttering more and more in the next 20 years. Blowing snow the entire season is super cost prohibitive.
So 4 in the entire country. Do you honestly think deep down that this model would work in this state? We both know the answer to that.
We struggle beyond belief to keep 500 active JORBA members. And above you see that $40 is considered steep by some.
The ski industry is a different animal and not easy to type out on my phone. There will be some evolution but even tiny hills like Camelback keeps investing in its infrastructure. In this current COVID environment they still installed a new quad life opening this winter. I think there’s bound to be an extraction in Vermont as their average snowfall has gone down the past few years. But I don’t know if that’s industry-wide or a bit of a localization.
I never said that model would definitely work and there are almost definitely more with shuttles rather than lifts, I just don't know them all.
Could something like Kingdom work? I actually do think so. I would pay $10-15 to ride PJ Watershed everytime I went and if it had 2-3 trails like Painted Apron? Oh I'd pay that all day every day. Mtb is exploding due to COVID, Garden State Mountain Biking on FB has 2800 members. That's a pretty sizable base of customers.
Captain Brainstorm
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The ski industry is doing fine, COVID not withstanding. Up in VT Vail resorts has jacked up their ticket prices to force you into the Epic pass, and pre-COVID there was still a line to the mountain every holiday weekend.
Whistler Bike park, the biggest and busiest in the world, barely breaks even, which is why Vail Resorts scrapped the bike park at Stowe as soon as they took over operations.
I admire the enthusiasm and I’m with you about paying. But as someone directly involved with trying to bolster JORBA membership over the past 2 years I will agree to disagree and offer you a friendly and boisterous LOL.
This sounds like the dream:
Now to find 400 acres in NJ someone will donate.
Now to find 400 acres in NJ someone will donate.
The problem with the I would pay everyday model, is that the people that would pay every day are the ones buying an annual membership at a fraction of the cost. Hence, the projected revenue doesn’t look as great.
Bike Park | SkyPark at Santa's Village - Skyforest, CA
Whether you are a new or experienced mountain bike rider, the trails at SkyPark at Santa’s Village are for you!
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This is an interesting model. Pay to ride. No lift. Ride w/ Santa.
Probably. When it comes down to it, how many people would pay to ride NJ trails for a day? Then 2 months later those trails may randomly be deemed off limits to bikers. The state would need to get behind something like this. Or a huge land owner. Both laughable things.
Pretty interesting. Very family friendly and seems easy for the ratings. Their bridge even has a railing. Looks like around 300' of vert based on the uphill trail. That's about right for something you have to pedal up yourself over and over. Always thought High Bridge was too short.Bike Park | SkyPark at Santa's Village - Skyforest, CA
Whether you are a new or experienced mountain bike rider, the trails at SkyPark at Santa’s Village are for you!
This is an interesting model. Pay to ride. No lift. Ride w/ Santa.