Kaleidopete
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Rear luggage rack for battery?
E-bikes are a thing
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serviceguy
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Full suspension so maybe not an option?
Monkey Soup
Angry Wanker
We ride the same trails at Wildcat, Fugawe, Splitrock, and Wayway you and I. There are some places we’ll likely not even see other people, never mind e-bikes.
Leave it to the shop guy to bring up the “facts”. This is literally the exact same line I hear in just about every shop I’ve walked into in NJ. Usually it comes after the “you can get more laps in a given amount of time” or “you can go farther in a given amount of time”. Then they try to sell me a gravel bike, because I need that instead of my “race” bike too.Scroll through these two threads to see who's buying E MTB's.
Average e-biker age?
Can't see a thread on this so thought I'd start one! Me, 63, in the Alps, been riding MTB for 31 years, e-bike for 3 years now, still got a clockwork bike for the park and road rides! Out here (Serre Chevalier, France) seems like all ages are on e-bikes, from 10-80 years old! At first I thought...www.emtbforums.com
Ebike age groups
Just wondering the age of ebikers. Seem to be a lot of folk when we compare rides for example whose idea of a big ride differs regarding what is big and what is big eg 30 miles or 100 miles???. So is it an age thing or what . I reckon we should have to put age weight occupation years cycling...
I think our trails are safe from the hordes of e-bikers that are going to sanitize all of the mountain bike trails to make them more e-bike friendly, so who cares?
Also, you should ride bikes with me. Unless you like going fast and don't like waiting, then you probably shouldn't.
Must be a thing if it's in Men's Journal.
www.mensjournal.com
Expert E-Bike Buying Tips for First-Time Riders
Experts share e-bike buying tips for first-time riders. Here's how to ensure you're getting a quality rig that'll last you years to come.
www.mensjournal.com
EJphotos
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Tried that setup while I had the hub motor on it but didn't like it. Seatpost rack since full squish. It occasionally hit the rear tire going over some bumps. Plus too much weight too high up.
I know it may come as a surprise to you, but stores are generally there to sell things to people. I hope you don't walk into the supermarket and lose your composure when they're trying to sell you Pringles on sale, or blueberries. Why you would walk into a bike shop and not expect them to sell you something bike-related is hard to understand, at least a little bit.
But more than that, what point does that text above serve? If you don't want tacos, don't walk into a taco store.
I have never once in my life been pushed to buy an eBike. And I'm fat & old. If anyone walks into a shop screaming, "This guy needs an eBike," it's me. Maybe you need to go to a new shop?
serviceguy
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Oh come on, you’re neither! But yes, it’s not like you’re mandated to buy anything that is being suggested to you. I do not spend much time on bike shops but I’ve never been pushed to buy anything, also I don’t really give them much of a chance, I walk in, ask for what I need and proceed to pay or leave empty handed. If possible, I check inventory before hand to avoid unnecessary waste of gas/time. But I digress...
Here is something to consider. Prior Sales drive future design work and R&D.
Based on sales #'s it may not be far fetched to see many brands diminishing their investments in new analog bike designs and devoting more energy/$ in ebike design.
Note the new brakes, suspension and tires that are specifically designed for ebikes. I saw a few saddles come into stock this week that say "ebike ready".
We in the east coast are off the back on ebike sales, but we are likely to quickly catch up. I speak weekly to a good friend in CA who owns 2, MTB only bike shops. They have gone from an ebike sale per month, to multiple per day within the last 2 seasons.
Our #1 phone call we get for high dollar mtbs is for the Orbea Rise. This is telling.
Based on sales #'s it may not be far fetched to see many brands diminishing their investments in new analog bike designs and devoting more energy/$ in ebike design.
Note the new brakes, suspension and tires that are specifically designed for ebikes. I saw a few saddles come into stock this week that say "ebike ready".
We in the east coast are off the back on ebike sales, but we are likely to quickly catch up. I speak weekly to a good friend in CA who owns 2, MTB only bike shops. They have gone from an ebike sale per month, to multiple per day within the last 2 seasons.
Our #1 phone call we get for high dollar mtbs is for the Orbea Rise. This is telling.
a.s.
Mr. Chainring
Marketing. Funny how that works eh.
After 30 + years of riding I’m starting to teeter on that fine line of whether this is fun anymore. Not having the time to train and a broken body that aches for 3 days after each ride is weighing on me. I think it was @Ian F who said something about losing the desire to train to be able to do epic rides. This pretty much sums up it up for me right now.
I see my buddies on Strava doing 20 miles trail rides and 60 mile road rides every other day. I’m lucky to get out once a week for 4 hours. Even then I’m rushing to get home so I can pick up my kids from camp or take them to the pool or go walk the dog, or I’m rushing to get into the city for work… there’s no freaking down time. But this shit is necessary if I want to feel good when I go out on the next bike ride.
Its the reason I’ve taken up DH again- carry me to the top and let me just flow down. I get that rush without the pain and suffering. And it’s the same reason I see an eBike in my future.
Victor I
aka Ridgehog
Random thought. Your a purest as to riding but your avatar is a cartoon character that is on steroids. Ebikes can be seen as cheating, but isn’t steroids? Not knocking it though as Stewie is one of my favorite Family Guy characters. I just can’t help but hear Stewie’s voice in my head when reading your posts😜.
I think it’s more than marketing honestly. All the reviews are good and it’s the lightest of the ebikes on the market or near so. It also has geo that nearly the same as their well liked Occam. It has a smaller battery and a pretty light output drive unit. I think this bike really appeals to riders who want to hang with faster friends or overcome physical limitations. (Or simple lack of time to ride/fitness)Marketing. Funny how that works eh.
After 30 + years of riding I’m starting to teeter on that fine line of whether this is fun anymore. Not having the time to train and a broken body that aches for 3 days after each ride is weighing on me. I think it was @Ian F who said something about losing the desire to train to be able to do epic rides. This pretty much sums up it up for me right now.
I see my buddies on Strava doing 20 miles trail rides and 60 mile road rides every other day. I’m lucky to get out once a week for 4 hours. Even then I’m rushing to get home so I can pick up my kids from camp or take them to the pool or go walk the dog, or I’m rushing to get into the city for work… there’s no freaking down time. But this shit is necessary if I want to feel good when I go out on the next bike ride.
Its the reason I’ve taken up DH again- carry me to the top and let me just flow down. I get that rush without the pain and suffering. And it’s the same reason I see an eBike in my future.
I constantly hear that ebikes are cheating, but this is mostly from people who don’t have real experiences on them. My view is that if it gets you off the couch and if it requires you to pedal the entire time than the more the merrier. Ebikes are a great way to provide Long durations of moderate heart rate. This is well proven to build cardiovascular health. (This means you can build fitness on an ebike).
I support 20mph speed caps. I discourage the use of throttle only e-motorcycles on dedicated mtb trails.
My prediction is that 1 in five bikes sold will be an ebike within ten years. By then you will be challenged to tell them apart from a distance anyway.
this rise would easily go unnoticed as an ebike among a group of mtbs.
these guys do great write ups:
Orbea Rise | A new lightweight e-MTB that's ready to take on the Specialized Levo SL
With a headline-grabbing weight of just 16.2kg, the Orbea Rise is claimed to be one of the lightest full suspension electric mountain bikes on the market. As a serious competitor to the Specialized Levo SL, the Orbea Rise comes with a bigger battery and a more powerful motor too.
flowmountainbike.com
Here you go @a.s. weren't you frothy for Norco
Best quote was from Pro DH Jill Kitner I kinda feel guilty passing guys up the climbs but I'm doing 6 laps to their 1. And this is where I always have been set in my mind. Nj doesn't qualify but someday I won't be living in NJ and hopefully I will live where the climbs are long and the downhills are even longer ✌
Best quote was from Pro DH Jill Kitner I kinda feel guilty passing guys up the climbs but I'm doing 6 laps to their 1. And this is where I always have been set in my mind. Nj doesn't qualify but someday I won't be living in NJ and hopefully I will live where the climbs are long and the downhills are even longer ✌
a.s.
Mr. Chainring
You don’t have to sell me man. 😉 I’d already have a Rise in my garage if I had the space and money. Not in that particular order.
now if Orbea would just stick to their promised delivery dates. But I get it.....I think it’s more than marketing honestly. All the reviews are good and it’s the lightest of the ebikes on the market or near so. It also has geo that nearly the same as their well liked Occam. It has a smaller battery and a pretty light output drive unit. I think this bike really appeals to riders who want to hang with faster friends or overcome physical limitations. (Or simple lack of time to ride/fitness)
I constantly hear that ebikes are cheating, but this is mostly from people who don’t have real experiences on them. My view is that if it gets you off the couch and if it requires you to pedal the entire time than the more the merrier. Ebikes are a great way to provide Long durations of moderate heart rate. This is well proven to build cardiovascular health. (This means you can build fitness on an ebike).
I support 20mph speed caps. I discourage the use of throttle only e-motorcycles on dedicated mtb trails.
My prediction is that 1 in five bikes sold will be an ebike within ten years. By then you will be challenged to tell them apart from a distance anyway.
this rise would easily go unnoticed as an ebike among a group of mtbs.
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these guys do great write ups:
Orbea Rise | A new lightweight e-MTB that's ready to take on the Specialized Levo SL
With a headline-grabbing weight of just 16.2kg, the Orbea Rise is claimed to be one of the lightest full suspension electric mountain bikes on the market. As a serious competitor to the Specialized Levo SL, the Orbea Rise comes with a bigger battery and a more powerful motor too.
don
Well-Known Member
Marketing. Funny how that works eh.
After 30 + years of riding I’m starting to teeter on that fine line of whether this is fun anymore. Not having the time to train and a broken body that aches for 3 days after each ride is weighing on me. I think it was @Ian F who said something about losing the desire to train to be able to do epic rides. This pretty much sums up it up for me right now.
I see my buddies on Strava doing 20 miles trail rides and 60 mile road rides every other day. I’m lucky to get out once a week for 4 hours. Even then I’m rushing to get home so I can pick up my kids from camp or take them to the pool or go walk the dog, or I’m rushing to get into the city for work… there’s no freaking down time. But this shit is necessary if I want to feel good when I go out on the next bike ride.
Its the reason I’ve taken up DH again- carry me to the top and let me just flow down. I get that rush without the pain and suffering. And it’s the same reason I see an eBike in my future.
well said
don
Well-Known Member
I know Yamaha was mentioned earlier in this thread but it was for a road bike. I saw some of the Yamaha e-MTB stuff that I didn't know about while researching UTVs last night. Monkey Soup brings up bike shops giving e-mtb "facts" as a hard sell but I bet that will be nothing compared to what happens when companies like Kawasaki, Honda, Polaris get in on it too.
I could see Yamaha thinking: well the auto industry is obviously changing to electric, California is continuing to come down hard on emissions (https://www.carscoops.com/2021/07/c...ing-cars-for-unapproved-ecu-tunes-on-july-19/) and it's only a matter of time before moto and atv gets hit so we might as well throw a little into this market now. Land access folks are a lot easier to deal with than the EPA plus they are bicycles so a way easier sell to them than dirt bikes.
https://www.yamahabicycles.com/bikes/ydx-moro-pro/ (anyone else notice Brian Lopes making their bikes look fun?)
This is what I was saying to Kirt today. If you don't look for them, you don't notice them. If you sit at KT and look bike by bike, you notice. But if you're not looking they're really not apparent. In a few years there will be no noticeable difference. I imagine more the case with road eBikes.
We did that MTBNJ/JORBA survey and 74.9% of the people who replied are 40+. The VMBA survey they shared with us - 70% were 40+ (this is a slight projection as their demographics split was 36-45). My point is that 1-in-5 may be sooner than 10 years.
I don't have the park numbers but I suspect there is a reason downhill parks are opening up more and more in New England. Because like @a.s. says, he wants someone to bring him up and he can roll down. eBikes are almost exactly the same thing.
a.s.
Mr. Chainring
Whoa whoa whoa! Slow down there Norm. You're going to have @Monkey Soup all over my @ass with a comment like that. I don't need no one carrying me up hill. (not yet) I just need a little help is all. A little EPO in my water bottle.