Does this make you angry too???

[1speed]

Maybe I am mis-reading this all, but it seems to me ... who gives a f*ck??? Seriously. You don't like cheat routes ... don't ride 'em. Complaining about whether or not other people ride the same lines you do is like complaining that someone else's kids don't look like yours. So f*cking what? Maybe those people are working up to the stunts and log hops and the cheat routes are being slowly ticked off one by one for them, and maybe some of those log piles are built up to build better flow so there is less slow down/speed up sections to deal with. Don't know ... don't care ... point is: you're getting angry that other adults playing on bicycles in dirt aren't doing it the same way you are. Think about that for a minute. Calling out people for how they choose to ride is just creating drama where there need not be any.

(Of course, anyone riding any of those sections, technical or otherwise, on anything other than a rigid singlespeed is obviously just a total puss. I think we can all agree on that, right?)

 

[bonefishjake]

i get the point but like so many others, this guy's delivery is just terrible.

 

[Blair]

I suggested to the Park Commmission that we try to transplant barberry to keep things tight, but the arborist says it's an invasive and would not approve (forget about the fact that it's everywhere in the park 🙄)

How about barb wire?

 

[TeamMuddySprocket]

I was about to post that not many on this board could/would do the majority of Liong's rides. The man is hardcore. (and seems to have way more time to ride than most)

+1

My goal this year is to try my own epic rides door to door from my place (ala Liong).. figure a loop at 6MR from my place is something like 70 miles

 

[Pearl]

 

[graveyardman67]

First of all, if Pearl is going to post Hogan clips I want to see that one of him with that DJ's wife.

Second, just ride. LewMo sucks now if you like single track and technical riding. But if you have the legs and do it at 13 to 14 mph it suddenly becomes difficult again for entirely different reasons.

FOTW in Vermont has a great system, much like the ski areas, of marking trails. When they put a Black diamond on a trail it warrants it - steep, tight, rocky, bridges, etc. The difference up there is they will have 2 different level trails that go from A to B. In some cases (around these parts) there are not multiple routes. To say Ringwood has been debased seems crazy - I can still hit the sweet lines - or go the softer way (that aint happenin').

The beauty of Mtb is that it encopasses all types people of all ages - some not so agro. Maybe those of us that are so much better need to spend time with those that aren't to help elevate everyones level.

 

[gingertooth]

That's funny. All the re-routes done were because huge freakn’ trees were totally blocking the trail. This meant you either climbed over/under it or plain not ride period. I don’t care how good you imagine yourself being you weren't riding over it. And let’s not forget safety.

And just to clue you in Ellen and Art White (JORBA park reps) are fully aware and support my efforts. So unless you have something of real value to add I wouldn't be to quick to call people out.

So what's wrong with climbing over/under it???? Like i said the reason why people blow today at mtb'n is because of re-routes.....And you are aware why the parks are closed correct?? Because of crap like this and other reason as well of course...

 

[wonderturtle]

To the OP, I agree with your point. If someone cannot handle certain parks trails, they should go to another park or walk the trail, rather than change the park to their skill level.

I agree with this fully. I, for one, dont like technical shit. but I hate putting my foot down and I hate hike-a-bike, so I keep to the non-tech parks and ride around (or climb over) stunts, high logs, etc.. I guess I am, as gingertooth put it oh-so-eloquately, a "*****".

however, I can understand fully why people would be pissed if someone was dumbing down the techy sections and stunts. if you cant handle it - dont go to that park or pick up your bike. dont "dumb down" what others have built. thats not cool.

however, clearly the OP's approach, is ridiculous and totally unnecessary on this board.

"only for real mtbers to read". did you write the OP from your tree fort?

gingertooth - you actually have a good point but it could easily be made without insulting the numerous members of the mtb community that arent as "aggro" as you.

as i said before, ease up on the Red Bull Gingertooth. and good luck keeping up with loing. from I have heard about him, I doubt you'll last 10 miles.

so, are you gonna take him up on the challenge or are you a "*****", a "lazy mountain biker", or a "lame ass mtber"?
cant wait to hear the results of the ride.

 

[graveyardman67]

I have an idea.

Ok, here's the setup. I'm riding down a trail and I know there is a nice sized log approaching. The kind of log that's big, ya know a good wheel diameter high. This type of log requires a certain level of finesse to get the front wheel over and follow up with the back. Cartainly not one that everyone can clear. But wait, as I get closer I can see someone has built up the face with some smaller logs and branches to make a ramp. Determined to not let someones inability to clear a log ruin my ride I do one of the following:

1. Accelerate to ludicrous speed, load up my rear suspension (yes sorry - I am on my FS as my SS has a rusty chain today) and go for the full pull and comletely clean the log - no touch both wheels off the ground.
2. Use the newly established roll up as a launch pad and huck some air while giving the peace sign for the photographer on the other side.
3. Ride around the log entirely as I am simply too tired to attempt it.
4. Dismount, inspect the area and think "hmmm, i guess that is kinda hard, whatever."

True for all of the above depending on my mood.

 

[ryderX]

It's Veterans Day. This kid would love to ride anything:
http://maplewood.patch.com/articles/local-soldier-suffers-life-altering-injuries-in-afghanistan-2

 

[aedubber]

Yo OP ! Thats why i just like to downhill man !

 

[Mildly Wild]

Sadly, I see this at pretty much every park.

On one hand, as much as I love and always try (and usually clean😀) the technical challenges, I can see SOME value to having milder alternatives on some of the most gnarly sections for those that simply aren't game for the very difficult stuff. This keeps them interested in the sport and enables them to progress over time. After all, we were all newbies once.

On the other hand, what I DO have a problem with are the "shortcuts" riders make on average sections of trail. I see this at Lewis Morris all the time...riders "straightlining" through the twisties instead of riding the turns. Or avoiding roots by simply riding wider on the trails 😡. At Lew Mo we've tried laying down heavy branches and/or digging in some "chokes" (IMBA TCC term for heavy immovable objects, like rocks, strategically placed so that riders steer into the center of the trail), but I repeatedly find them moved. It's as if riders prefer wider trails. :hmmm:

No real solution comes to mind other than staying on top of it. Long live skinny trails.

+ 1 on the above.

I was hiking through Tourne Park recently. Very, very sad and discouraging to see what used to be nice tight rocky single track in many areas turned into 4 lane highways:cry:.

That said (I think) beginners are very important to the future of our sport. That's why I think go-arounds are a good thing. I would not want to see newbies discouraged from the sport because the trails they 1st picked to ride seemed too difficult/scary/frustrating and they lost interest. Or tried something they're not ready for and end up hurt. Personally, its taken me many rides and practice to work up the confidence and skill to try many of the TTF's in parks I ride. Just my 2 cents.

 

[stb222]

I think you need to read the article in the latest Dirt Rag "Have we gone too far".

 

[michael.su]

it's veterans day. This kid would love to ride anything:
http://maplewood.patch.com/articles/local-soldier-suffers-life-altering-injuries-in-afghanistan-2

+ 100000000

perspective!

 

[VOR]

gingertooth,.
if you're saying what you are (a hardcore "singletrack" lover")
i'm gonna invite you "friendly challenge"

this week on sunday,if weather is nice or anytime when you're ready to do so..
let's go for a ride with me.
we ride from park to park (splitrock,mahlon,wawa,JH,ringwood,ramapo) probably around 90miles,and we start from my apartment door in clifton and back to clifton again.
i'm going to make you happy or suffer..
you'll get the taste what mtbiking is really about.(beside riding singletrack)

don't PM me...just post it here.
let's others know that you're up to this "friendly challenge"

but,,if you not response to my post.
then,we all know what you really are.

liong

Thats fine that your ride all of those miles on an MTB. Basically if someone doesnt ride from CLifton to every park and back to Clifton, they cannot post an opinion here? I understand you can ride but you really sound a little full of yourself right now

 

[gingertooth]

All of you are correct and i want to apologize for how i worded this topic. All that have thrown their views on this all have great points besides a few. But i again apologize and will go back and correct how i worded this and insulted some on this topic. I went too far and was hungover for the last three days celebrating my girlfriends b-day. So i hope you people except my apologies. LIONG71ER, I have no problem seeting up some rides such as you mentioned. I have done many of them before, and some with TimmyD of course. You can send me messages when you planning them and if i have the time that someone has mentioned you have then i would love to do them with you. ..

 

[MannyL358]

I’m not sure you've had a chance to ride Ramapo after the storm so let me paint the picture for you. I did a 10 mile loop the day after the storm (yea cabin fever was that bad) and in those 10 miles I counted 22+ trees blocking the trails. Following your philosophy of "why not climb over" would mean every single time I went riding I would have to dismount roughly every half mile. If that's your thing maybe you should take up hiking or trail running.

Now don't get me wrong, I understand your concern, but we need to look at the big picture. Besides it being a total buzz killer, it's also a huge safety issue. Some of these trees have the potential to collapse and possibly kill someone. (biker or hiker)

I appreciate your passion and love for the trails but let’s be realistic.

So what's wrong with climbing over/under it???? Like i said the reason why people blow today at mtb'n is because of re-routes.....And you are aware why the parks are closed correct?? Because of crap like this and other reason as well of course...

 

[wonderturtle]

Thats fine that your ride all of those miles on an MTB. Basically if someone doesnt ride from CLifton to every park and back to Clifton, they cannot post an opinion here? I understand you can ride but you really sound a little full of yourself right now

gingertooth didnt just post an opinion. he (she?) repeatedly, and unnecessarly, insulted other riders in the process.

Liong was basically saying "put up or shut up" which I think was a perfectly appropriate response to the OP.

gingertooth since apologized. so big props to him for that. lets leave it at that.

 

[VOR]

gingertooth didnt just post an opinion. he (she?) repeatedly, and unnecessarly, insulted other riders in the process.

Liong was basically saying "put up or shut up" which I think was a perfectly appropriate response to the OP.

gingertooth since apologized. so big props to him for that. lets leave it at that.

It just appear Liong felt like promoting himself rather then offering anything on the topic.

 

[wonderturtle]

It just appear Liong felt like promoting himself rather then offering anything on the topic.

and one could certainly say the same about the OP. and Liong did it without insulting anyone. whatever.