BIYF Winter 2015 discussion thread
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I suggest simply have like Soundz says , have 2 groups. But my MIT less mind says 2 floating groups. Forget caps. If you're throwing down crazy miles week after week then you're in the A class And compete with other heavy hitters. Every one else B or even a C class. Riders will fluctuate between groups depending on this year's work . No need to check last years Strava. Its .what you can do now motivate yourself to do. Ok. Just a thought. Im looking for motivation. Thats all.
wonderturtle
Well-Known Member
And make sure the competition takes into account those that are gluten- intolerant. There should be special compensation for those with shakey-leg syndrome as well as cronic fatigue syndrome. And of course a clydesdale category.
rick81721
Lothar
I like this approach but I'm neither a weekend warrior (at least by this example) or a commuter. So where is the schmoe CAT?
don't make my mom helicopter in to insist i play in the prestigious category where i'll sit on the bench most of the time, and when i do play, i'm way over matched. that part is not on the resume....should have finished that therapy.
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on handicaps & categories.
In the end, this is about getting out and riding. "I'm" trying to find a way to level the field so winning will require something out of a rider's personal comfort zone. if someone's daily routine is enough to win, they have gained nothing by participating.
Having it a series rather than multi week cumulative helps a bit - always a chance to take a shot a winning a week - just for personal i-can-do-it-ness
epic rides are just that, and should be rewarded. imho
need to get some shopping done...more eventually!
a capped and uncapped category - interesting..
1 month qualifier, 1 month round robin, 1 month elimination rounds....
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on handicaps & categories.
In the end, this is about getting out and riding. "I'm" trying to find a way to level the field so winning will require something out of a rider's personal comfort zone. if someone's daily routine is enough to win, they have gained nothing by participating.
Having it a series rather than multi week cumulative helps a bit - always a chance to take a shot a winning a week - just for personal i-can-do-it-ness
epic rides are just that, and should be rewarded. imho
need to get some shopping done...more eventually!
a capped and uncapped category - interesting..
1 month qualifier, 1 month round robin, 1 month elimination rounds....
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There should be old points. Like you add your age to every ride. And people born in 1971 should get 1971 bonus points every time they ride.
The downside with a straight conversion is that it doesn't encourage people to ride. So you add double days which means the 2 freaks then get like 216 points on a single day.
I like the golf idea. Then you sort of push against your own limits every week. Kinda like the professor who grades on progress.
Professor, what's another name for pirate treasure?
The downside with a straight conversion is that it doesn't encourage people to ride. So you add double days which means the 2 freaks then get like 216 points on a single day.
I like the golf idea. Then you sort of push against your own limits every week. Kinda like the professor who grades on progress.
Professor, what's another name for pirate treasure?
Geez, I don't know why I get the backlash - MIT comment? It's the first time I've used it this year, btw 😛
But I haven't seen much productive arguments against my formula, other than more wining.
All I'm saying is instead of using TIME, use MILES. If you don't want to have 2 cats or 3 cats, fine. If you ride less miles than the other person, you lose. Simple, no? Not everyone will ride the same amount of miles, so someone will win.
Would you rather use TIME and have someone like me beat you because I rode 100hrs a week at 3 MPH? I seem remember hearing complaints in previous years precisely because of this issue and just wanted to offer something. I'm pretty sure I can pull up those threads and quotes.
Anyways, I'm done.
But I haven't seen much productive arguments against my formula, other than more wining.
All I'm saying is instead of using TIME, use MILES. If you don't want to have 2 cats or 3 cats, fine. If you ride less miles than the other person, you lose. Simple, no? Not everyone will ride the same amount of miles, so someone will win.
Would you rather use TIME and have someone like me beat you because I rode 100hrs a week at 3 MPH? I seem remember hearing complaints in previous years precisely because of this issue and just wanted to offer something. I'm pretty sure I can pull up those threads and quotes.
Anyways, I'm done.
is that a gilligan's island reference...
(age+weight of rider+weight of bike)*moving time+avg mph+elevation gained/moving time = booty
i still like the time in the saddle approach. imo, this is an equalizer for the roadie, mtb flow rider, and the mtb tech rider. my 20 miles on the road is definitely not equal to 20 at allaire, or 20 at ringwood. multipliers are nice but why make this more complicated than it needs to be. it's supposed to be about riding bikes not math.
as for cats there are obvious placements, as for the rest lets lay out guidelines and try the honor system or ytd numbers. if someone is sandbagging then we'll bump him/her up to the proper level of competition.
finally, this has to be digitally documented. just about everyone has either a garmin type device or a smartphone (except iggy). last time i checked the strava app was free so there really isn't a legitimate reason why not to use it.
as for cats there are obvious placements, as for the rest lets lay out guidelines and try the honor system or ytd numbers. if someone is sandbagging then we'll bump him/her up to the proper level of competition.
finally, this has to be digitally documented. just about everyone has either a garmin type device or a smartphone (except iggy). last time i checked the strava app was free so there really isn't a legitimate reason why not to use it.
you don't need to be done, the google sheet from last year is still up - run the simulation on the real data!
i like miles. miles of smiles......
a TT a day keeps the whiners away?
other than the dirt multiplier, and some constant for participating
this isn't a bad way to score it.
the big variable is the weather, an an hour in the crud at a lower speed could be just as much work, if not more, than that nice blue winter day.
i really have to shop...
GSTim
Formerly M3Tim
+1
I think time is the only good way to do it. Besides if someone is riding around for 4 hours on the road at 6 mph, then it's probably because that's how fast they can go. I don't know many people here who are going to go out and ride slower just so they can put in a few more miles.
It's even harder to quantify speed for MTB. If my fitness sucks, I can spend 2 hours putting only 6-7 miles at Sourlands or Allamuchy. 😱
Tim
grilledcheeseking
Well-Known Member
Strava Running and Cycling GPS - This app is incompatible with all of your devices.
Oh, but I have a Garmin. That's a relief.
The math is getting more compicated. Looks like things are on track.
wonderturtle
Well-Known Member
I think it boils down to this....
This is intended to just motivate people to get out and ride = keep it simple (eg, time in the saddle with minimal math)
This is a competition dammit and all relevant factors (time, distance, speed, elevation change, road v mtb, wind speed, relative humidity) must be appropriately accounted for!!! = make it complicated, with various categories, bonuses, multipliers, etc.
Decide what you want it to be and go from there.
If you want categories (since we know who the top guys are gonna be already), perhaps have 2 or 3 categories that would be roughly analogous to peoples racing categories.
This is intended to just motivate people to get out and ride = keep it simple (eg, time in the saddle with minimal math)
This is a competition dammit and all relevant factors (time, distance, speed, elevation change, road v mtb, wind speed, relative humidity) must be appropriately accounted for!!! = make it complicated, with various categories, bonuses, multipliers, etc.
Decide what you want it to be and go from there.
If you want categories (since we know who the top guys are gonna be already), perhaps have 2 or 3 categories that would be roughly analogous to peoples racing categories.
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