Another Cyclist Murdered

Mahnken

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Of course he ignores the fact that Baltimore, MD is much worse than New Orleans. And is in one of the least gun- friendly states. I would also point out that Newark, NJ also has a higher murder rate than Chicago.
 

Johnny Utah

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Chicago is more nuanced than you make it out to be. Are you agreeing that lax gun laws are worse at keeping violent crime down than strict gun laws?
Of course he ignores the fact that Baltimore, MD is much worse than New Orleans. And is in one of the least gun- friendly states. I would also point out that Newark, NJ also has a higher murder rate than Chicago.
We are now in deflection world. Pop off more and more questions rather than answer the ones presented. Throw in some fake facts that hopefully no one checks and be off to the races.

Popcorn time. It’s been real, but I think I have proved my reasoning. No articles need to be attached.
 

serviceguy

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Of course he ignores the fact that Baltimore, MD is much worse than New Orleans. And is in one of the least gun- friendly states. I would also point out that Newark, NJ also has a higher murder rate than Chicago.
I believe you're talking total murders number, @Mahnken is talking murder rate (per capita). I would also add that not all criminals have good aim, so the attempted murders should be also part of the indicator somehow. Also, I'm sure that part of New Orleans, Detroit, Baltimore etc. are nice and safe so it's not really a linear thing.

We are now in deflection world. Pop off more and more questions rather than answer the ones presented. Throw in some fake facts that hopefully no one checks and be off to the races.

Popcorn time. It’s been real, but I think I have proved my reasoning. No articles need to be attached.
...but, yeah...
 

krink

Eddie Munster
Huh wha?

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Mahnken

Well-Known Member
We are now in deflection world. Pop off more and more questions rather than answer the ones presented. Throw in some fake facts that hopefully no one checks and be off to the races.

Popcorn time. It’s been real, but I think I have proved my reasoning. No articles need to be attached.
Showing you that you're wrong about Chicago being the murder capital of the world is deflecting? You can use stats when they're convenient for you, but if they go against what you say it's deflecting. Got it. Won't make that mistake again.
 

Johnny Utah

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Showing you that you're wrong about Chicago being the murder capital of the world is deflecting? You can use stats when they're convenient for you, but if they go against what you say it's deflecting. Got it. Won't make that mistake again.
I didn’t say it was the murder capital - I said it was a war zone.

Now you are changing my words too.

When do I get called a racist and have paint thrown on my coat?

If I say I am wrong will you PayPal me $200 and wash @Patrick car - you seem pretty desperate to get on the points board here🤔
 

serviceguy

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Showing you that you're wrong about Chicago being the murder capital of the world is deflecting? You can use stats when they're convenient for you, but if they go against what you say it's deflecting. Got it. Won't make that mistake again.
Again, you're talking rate Vs number of murders. Chicago is up at 688 for 2022 with a negative trend, New Orleans is at 280 with a 132% increase since 2019...
 

Mahnken

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Again, you're talking rate Vs number of murders. Chicago is up at 688 for 2022 with a negative trend, New Orleans is at 280 with a 132% increase since 2019...
Why wouldn't I talk about rate? How else can you properly compare them?
 

serviceguy

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Why wouldn't I talk about rate? How else can you properly compare them?
I'm not sure it would be entirely accurate indicative, the crime distribution can be very different depending on the area of the city. It would be interesting to see how the population density plays into it. Still a lot of murders...
 

rick81721

Lothar

Ha data I looked at was a few years old. Looks like Jackson, MS beat NO. But my main point is still accurate - Baltimore is far worse than Chicago

https://www.wlbt.com/2023/01/07/ana...ide-rate-ranks-highest-us-among-major-cities/
 

rick81721

Lothar
I believe you're talking total murders number, @Mahnken is talking murder rate (per capita). I would also add that not all criminals have good aim, so the attempted murders should be also part of the indicator somehow. Also, I'm sure that part of New Orleans, Detroit, Baltimore etc. are nice and safe so it's not really a linear thing.


...but, yeah...
.no murder rate per capita is the proper metric. The data I saw was from a few years ago. Apparently Newark is getting better - last year then we're even lower than Chicago!
 

serviceguy

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.no murder rate per capita is the proper metric. The data I saw was from a few years ago. Apparently Newark is getting better - last year then we're even lower than Chicago!
Meh, it maybe but it depends how it is calculated really. I would expect an higher total number even with a lower rate in higher densely populated areas. Still sucks...
 

rick81721

Lothar
Meh, it maybe but it depends how it is calculated really. I would expect an higher total number even with a lower rate in higher densely populated areas. Still sucks...

Another inconvenient truth the looney left ignores - the number of guns/capita has more than doubled the last 50 years. The homicide rate has dropped almost in half.
 

JerseyPete

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Just for kicks I'll add that I do not own a gun, and when I was trusted with one by my government (not the US) I considered it a huge responsibility as I was supposed to carry it with me at all time and use it if necessary, even if I wasn't personally in danger (Leo in LEO).
I find this shocking. I fully expected you or a family member (over in Italy) to own a finely crafted and well carved/engraved shotgun from Benelli, Beretta, Guerini, etc that is a family heirloom.
 

serviceguy

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I find this shocking. I fully expected you or a family member (over in Italy) to own a finely crafted and well carved/engraved shotgun from Benelli, Beretta, Guerini, etc that is a family heirloom.
Funny story...back in Sicily, before WWII my grandfather owned such a finely crafted shotgun that he kept hanging on the wall behind the front house door as a deterrent (to be noted, the front door was always open, except at night, as nowadays the first thing to be gone would have been the shotgun). The message being, if I need a gun I know where to find one and will use. It was ever only used for hunting ,back then the only source of protein (imagine the remote countryside in the poorest region of a rather poor country in the 1920s-30s)... nothing fancy like the long line of aristocratic loins that gave us @rick81721, just to be clear...following the Allied invasion of Sicily, all guns were confiscated by the invading Armies (a smart move that should have been implemented in later, less effective campaigns if you ask me), so my grandfather was given a 'valid for a shotgun' receipt and promised he would get his prized heirloom back at the end of the war...long story short, that shotgun is now probably stored in some U.S. or British safe and what my grandfather got in return was a shitty piece of garbage that he didn't even consider worth using for hunting nor as a form of intimidation, hence was thrown in a closed and forgotten all about...fast forward to the '90s, and several iterations of very strict gun control laws, as you would expect in a semi-socialist country, the shitty shotgun was found in the same closet (where it sat undisturbed for about 50 years) when the house was about to be demolished to make room for a new one. My aunt, then in possession of the house, enquired with the local Carabinieri station (a military police force that most males in my family, me included, at some point or another belonged to) what she was supposed to do in order to legally retain the gun once begrudgingly owned by her father...the requirements were such that after a quick round of consultation with the potentially interested family members (again, me included) the weapon was happily released in the hands of the local Carabinieri in order to be disposed of (which possibly never happened, as shitty as it was it was still about 100 years old at that point, possibly worth something).

I am that much of a gun person. I'd rather talk about bikes...
 
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