ryderX
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Unfortunately NJ SP's do not allow vendors to sell food in any parks without permits or local board of health inspections. We once tried to get an ice cream truck for one of our events and we were told NG.
H2H 2011 Proposed Sched and Payout Schedule
- Thread starter wmbarace
- Start date
dnap
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times
Ill chime in late.
During the end of the series, 2 of the top 3 in 40-44 and 3 of the top 4,45-49 sport discussed the 1pm cat1 start times. All of us agreed that the start time would limit our motivation to attend most of the races. We are pretty psyched to move up, just not crazy about spending the whole day for a couple hour race. No offense to the promoters who are very dedicated and do a great job.
Ill still attend some of the races,but would rather travel to some endurance races next year,(start earlier,ride more and get back the same time).
Curious to know how the rest of the cat2's moving up feel?
Ill chime in late.
During the end of the series, 2 of the top 3 in 40-44 and 3 of the top 4,45-49 sport discussed the 1pm cat1 start times. All of us agreed that the start time would limit our motivation to attend most of the races. We are pretty psyched to move up, just not crazy about spending the whole day for a couple hour race. No offense to the promoters who are very dedicated and do a great job.
Ill still attend some of the races,but would rather travel to some endurance races next year,(start earlier,ride more and get back the same time).
Curious to know how the rest of the cat2's moving up feel?
ellenserruto
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Clapper
Active Member
I'm probably going to do the same. Pick some h2h races that suit my riding style and mix in some enduro races. My main concern with the 1:00 start is knowing I'm riding in hottest part of the day, riding an extra lap, and getting my butt kicked. It's going to be brutal, but I'm still psyched to do it.
+1 in doing the same.
As a cat 2 moving up I am not competing in every h2h race.
Even as a cat 2 I did not do every race, with job and family I did the races that fit my schedule. This will be my same approach in cat 1, only after the race I'll be a lot further away from the podium
keithsly
New Member
I couldn't disagree more.... I used to MTB race, then switched to Road, then TT..... I went from Beginner to Sport to Expert and my time got harder and harder to manage with a wife, house (which needed tons of work around it), and the idea of starting a family. Often times I choose to Road Race because I knew after a hard race in the morning I could get home and work on the yard or house while it was still light out.
Now that I have 2 small children (boys in fact) almost 2 yrs, and 4 1/2 yrs... I couldn't imagine getting home to central NJ after racing "Ringwood" or "Waywayanda" until 3 or 3:30 in the afternoon.... just in time for dinner on the weekends.... I much prefer an early starting TT do my ride and be home for lunch and help my wife take care of my kids...
Maybe Boys are different then someone who has Girls but my guys want to ride bikes, hike, play on the playground, and play ball. And I get out on my Bike far less often now then I did before I had kids but it's something I do for them and for me. They are only young once.....
I believe Norm is an advocate of the earlier start times.
As a father of 2 boys, now 12 and 15 I can say that it does get easier as they get older to get out to ride. When there young its more difficult to find free time for cycling. My kids are more independent now but as a dad I still have to get them to soccer/baseball/basketball and spend time with there activities.
In a few years when my kids are in college i'll have my cycling heyday😉
keithsly
New Member
Dude try racing Expert when Allaire had the November Race back in the day.... Every lap you would come by less stuff existed in the start finish area.... My last year racing Allaire I was in the lead until about 1/2 mile to got on the last lap and everytime through I felt like they were like finish already Expert Field.... Noboby really cheers the Experts because they Beginners, and Sports are back at their cars waiting for results eating something...
Steve Vai
Endurance Guy: Tolerates most of us.
Not a good reference, most people clear out by the time my field goes in cross too. In either discipline I finish with 3 cars in the lot and all the tents already packed up.
-Jim.
Hopefully some changes will at least be attempted. This is all hypothesis at this point with rhetoric from a relatively small group of people. The typical number of racers is still 3x the amount of posts even made here. The only way to know how the racing masses will react is to try. And I'm not suggesting changing race schedules every week, maybe just the last 2 races. I can already envision several people showing up at the wrong times if folks are not reminded several times. I am still a +1 for earlier CAT1, hell make everything an hour earlier (again personal preference - I've been at work for an hour and a half already and yes I am procrastinating).
RNG1
Well-Known Member
I preface writing this by realizing that of course big decisions are not based on 1 person however bear with me on this below thought...
When I was riding Sunday I recognized a guy on the Rocket Ride who coincidentally did the Ringwood race and easily won my class that day who did not do any other h2h races all season. I started talking with him and he had said that although he was a cat3 road racer and had also done a few 50 mi mountain bike races this year and finished very well (top 3 in one case) he would like to do more h2h but of course doesn't like the race day time commitment for a race of this distance.
I know this has been rehashed already but my thought is that here is a guy that should be racing this series in an appropriate catagory and is not. He then said he will likely do the series next year but as cat 2 (good luck everyone else)I actually told him with all due respect that he is not a cat2 racer clearly by his performance in the Ringwood race and he responded with "I know but I want to just have some fun doing this next year and don't want to deal with the entire day....blah blah". I thought about this during the day and wondered how this type of thinking could be addressed as it seems to be so common.
If race time is set in stone due to the argument that beginners shouldn't race in the heat of the day (which IMO I am really not sure about as someone mentioned length of race as a major counterpoint).
I realize there are too many groups already but should a consideration be made for a cat2 open group for people who don't plan to do the entire series possibly and/or to attract the type of people who would likely not do any cat1races for a variety of reasons already stated in this thread? (distance, time, start time etc) Maybe even no awards or swag for this group just to keep it simple? H2H may also wind up with less "spoilers" of the individual series by those who show up for just a race or 2 all season.
I realize the future of the sport is in trying to attract new beginner riders but I have this feeling that there are lots of experienced ones out there as well that we need to try and get involved that have slipped away.
Thanks for reading.
When I was riding Sunday I recognized a guy on the Rocket Ride who coincidentally did the Ringwood race and easily won my class that day who did not do any other h2h races all season. I started talking with him and he had said that although he was a cat3 road racer and had also done a few 50 mi mountain bike races this year and finished very well (top 3 in one case) he would like to do more h2h but of course doesn't like the race day time commitment for a race of this distance.
I know this has been rehashed already but my thought is that here is a guy that should be racing this series in an appropriate catagory and is not. He then said he will likely do the series next year but as cat 2 (good luck everyone else)I actually told him with all due respect that he is not a cat2 racer clearly by his performance in the Ringwood race and he responded with "I know but I want to just have some fun doing this next year and don't want to deal with the entire day....blah blah". I thought about this during the day and wondered how this type of thinking could be addressed as it seems to be so common.
If race time is set in stone due to the argument that beginners shouldn't race in the heat of the day (which IMO I am really not sure about as someone mentioned length of race as a major counterpoint).
I realize there are too many groups already but should a consideration be made for a cat2 open group for people who don't plan to do the entire series possibly and/or to attract the type of people who would likely not do any cat1races for a variety of reasons already stated in this thread? (distance, time, start time etc) Maybe even no awards or swag for this group just to keep it simple? H2H may also wind up with less "spoilers" of the individual series by those who show up for just a race or 2 all season.
I realize the future of the sport is in trying to attract new beginner riders but I have this feeling that there are lots of experienced ones out there as well that we need to try and get involved that have slipped away.
Thanks for reading.
keithsly
New Member
Exactly what I'm talking about ..... No back when I was racing stuck around to watch the Experts, and when my team help Tom breakdown at some Cross Races no one sticks around for the late Cross Races either....
It has nothing to do with the "Heat of the Day" it has to do with getting home and having Dinner with your Family...
This would be great
rocknrollgirl
Well-Known Member
What changes are you thinking about?
There were only 2 or 3 girls racing in the 40+ last year anyway?
Pokgirl
Spork
Go back to 35+ rather than 40+ or even just an open Cat 2 women's class. There are arguments against an open class, but that's how it is in cross, the fields are big, and no one is crying if they don't podium.
Had a long discussion with hubby about moving up. I am in the same dilemma as last year. I like racing 2 hours. I don't have time for training for, and frankly not willing, to race for 3 hours. There is such a decrepancy between the average woman vs. man finish time and ability. When women do the same number of laps as men, it is just unmanageable for me. The crickets would be chirping when I finish. And having long laps doesn't help this situation. Isn't it true that USA Cycling has changed for shorter laps for the pros? Shorter laps would make it possible for less laps for women than men and all would finish in the 2-2.5 hour range.
Every venue is different, which makes some sort of statement impossible, but it should be possible to say weeks before the race: the lap is x distance, it would take the average cat 1 male racer to do y min laps and average cat 1 woman racer to do z min laps, and if the target is 2 hour races for the average person, then calculate the number of laps from there.
I also suggested that Cat 1 and Cat 2 women should just compete against each other in one class. There are always Cat 2's that would do well in Cat 1 and Cat 1's that could fit well into Cat 2, so there's overlap anyway. But I know this was late night ridiculous blather.
I have lots to say about my frustration with moving up to Cat 1, what's held me back, etc. But I won't go on.