WMA access

JonF

Well-Known Member
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Generally right at sundown is the best time of the day to be hunting, deer move the most during the first and last few hours of daylight.
The endless line of rotting deer carcasses along any NJ highway is proof positive of that.
 
I ran into a hunter a few weeks ago on a Sunday in the squan and he said hunting is allowed on Sundays in the WMA, for some reason I thought I read that there was no hunting on Sundays in the WMA but he said that is only state parks, not WMA. He was totally friendly towards me.
Hunting on WMAs is allowed on Sundays but only with a bow or crossbow. There is no firearm hunting on Sundays. All hunting is closed on Sundays in state parks and recreation areas. Hunting with a bow on private property is also allowed on Sundays.
 

krink

New Member
What about destruction of trail features/bridges? in Allaire, a few well made bridges in the Manasquan WMA have been destroyed beyond easy repair with a chainsaw by an angry hunter. Heard secondand about a biker talking with the hunter carrying a chainsaw. Im all for respecting the correct times and dates to ride these areas, but i would never consider removing a hunting blind, tree stand or feed location, even if it screwed with a trail. What is the general consensus here? bridge shouldnt have been put in at all or hunters overreaction to it or something in between?
 

Patrick

Overthinking the draft from the basement already
Staff member
What about destruction of trail features/bridges? in Allaire, a few well made bridges in the Manasquan WMA have been destroyed beyond easy repair with a chainsaw by an angry hunter. Heard secondand about a biker talking with the hunter carrying a chainsaw. Im all for respecting the correct times and dates to ride these areas, but i would never consider removing a hunting blind, tree stand or feed location, even if it screwed with a trail. What is the general consensus here? bridge shouldnt have been put in at all or hunters overreaction to it or something in between?

There are tons of questions to go along with your story.
Most end up creating hypothetical situations (guesses at best)

Someone got upset and took out a couple bridges.
Was it was really anti-MTB, or just anti-people coming into an area where they never were?
who knows?

Sure they could have just reached out, or posted some signs - but it was probably building up to something like this.
Unfortunate.

We'll live with it - try to be the best co-users we can be, and hopefully show that by our actions,
specifically like you mentioned, being aware of when hunters are expected there.

strangely enough, mtb is an acceptable method of transportation for hunters.
I'd even like to put forward that ebikes would be a great alternative, and should be allowed.

And i'm still not thinking it is hunter specific - so i don't want to seem that way.

Really hard to get upset at someone that got so angry that they felt they had no other recourse.

What I was really upset about was the apparent booby-trapping of one of the bridges - possibility of collapse
while being used. It is so random, that it might have been any kid just having fun, not more than 50' away from
a fire station with a banquet room. :(
 

krink

New Member
Yup I hear you Patrick. I'm just relaying the story (a agree plenty of questions about the events) and wanted to hear perspective from others. I'm up for rebuilding the features as well as spreading the word to be in there Sundays only. Seems as if tension is ratcheting up recently. I had punctures from a booby trap on the trails between Ramshorn and the river this summer, and have seen fresh broken glass on trails in Alliare (top of Alien Abduction and beginning of Glass) and WMA (Ms Blueberry beginning). Now with the bridge destruction, would rather de-escalate than make things more dangerous.
 

JimN

Captain Wildcat
Team MTBNJ Halter's
What is the general consensus here? bridge shouldnt have been put in at all or hunters overreaction to it

Both.

As a general rule of thumb, I try to avoid pissing off men with guns. I think that would probably apply to men with chainsaws as well, though I could hopefully out run/ride a man with a chainsaw at least. I also try to be extra courteous when I'm doing something I'm not supposed to be.
 

shrpshtr325

Infinite Source of Sarcasm
Team MTBNJ Halter's
Yup I hear you Patrick. I'm just relaying the story (a agree plenty of questions about the events) and wanted to hear perspective from others. I'm up for rebuilding the features as well as spreading the word to be in there Sundays only. Seems as if tension is ratcheting up recently. I had punctures from a booby trap on the trails between Ramshorn and the river this summer, and have seen fresh broken glass on trails in Alliare (top of Alien Abduction and beginning of Glass) and WMA (Ms Blueberry beginning). Now with the bridge destruction, would rather de-escalate than make things more dangerous.


Not familiar with alien abduction trail, but glass has had glass shards at the top for as long as iv been riding there, I believe there is a story behind it but idr it.
 

krink

New Member
Not familiar with alien abduction trail, but glass has had glass shards at the top for as long as iv been riding there, I believe there is a story behind it but idr it.
Agree on Glass, always had some at the start. Just seems like more places lately. Who knows, maybe nothing more than drunk teens and my overactive imagination. No doubt with COVID there are more riders in Allaire proper and WMAs and a great many of them are not familiar with the way we fit into the multi-use culture there. Gonna be some pushback.
 

choop

Well-Known Member
Agree on Glass, always had some at the start. Just seems like more places lately. Who knows, maybe nothing more than drunk teens and my overactive imagination. No doubt with COVID there are more riders in Allaire proper and WMAs and a great many of them are not familiar with the way we fit into the multi-use culture there. Gonna be some pushback.
The park and DEP need to do a much better job with signage on the rules and where the park ends and WMA begins. It's no surprise the hunters are pushing back when the mtb community is going into the WMA without any concern for its other legal users.
 

krink

New Member
The park and DEP need to do a much better job with signage on the rules and where the park ends and WMA begins. It's no surprise the hunters are pushing back when the mtb community is going into the WMA without any concern for its other legal users.
To play devils advocate this years’ crazy increase in riders has poured gas on the fire. It would be hard for the Park/DEP to react to what has surprised us all. I have previously thought a sign about riding culture should be put in the parking lot. Maybe including refrain from riding wet trails don’t widen muddy areas, ride open areas only, explain hunters rights, etc would be a good idea. Maybe even mollify the hunters a little.
 
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