i've actually been meaning to do that dan but haven't sat down to figure it out yet. i'm sure it's easy enough and based on the milage and time, i should be doing this.
just beat it.
just beat it.
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ytc100
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You can do that without racing/training in such a technical manner. Bla.
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OK so sitting here thinking about it I feel compelled to give a better answer to YTC's comments. And Jeff and Walter as well I suppose. This is one of those questions like stretching and lifting weights, IMO. There are no right answers just a lot of theories and opinions strewn together that are ultimately full of holes.
An obvious aspect here is having fun, and the faster you go the more fun you tend to have. It's also rewarding to be able to cover a bunch of miles in less time than you previously could. It's like anything in life you do to better yourself. The fastest path to improvement is often times the hardest. I think a problem with the American Public in general is their inclination to always choose the easy way of doing things. There are countless examples of this. By no means am I suggesting the people that *don't* traing formally are in this cross-section. It's really an observation on my self and my prior lifestyle and habits.
Another aspect for me, and Jake as well, is that we have limited time to ride. My train leaves at 7:25 am and if I want to ride M-F I need to do it before that. So aside from getting up early, I need to make every minute count. That usually means hard riding. I tried "just enjoying it" for a few months in the summer and my fitness slipped. I'm in worse shape now that I was in June. That sucks ass.
Obviously you can question why I race at all, especially considering the last ride I did with you YTC was about 8 times more enjoyable than the Blue Mtn race on Sunday. I have no answer for that. I could say it's my competetive nature but frankly that's total BS. I guess it's like this. I race to "throw my hat in the ring" and when I see that it gets stepped on so hard I want to do better because I'm disgusted how badly I do. And the cycle continues.
Make any sense at all? Feel free to call me an idiot I'm sure my friends and neighbors do 🙂
An obvious aspect here is having fun, and the faster you go the more fun you tend to have. It's also rewarding to be able to cover a bunch of miles in less time than you previously could. It's like anything in life you do to better yourself. The fastest path to improvement is often times the hardest. I think a problem with the American Public in general is their inclination to always choose the easy way of doing things. There are countless examples of this. By no means am I suggesting the people that *don't* traing formally are in this cross-section. It's really an observation on my self and my prior lifestyle and habits.
Another aspect for me, and Jake as well, is that we have limited time to ride. My train leaves at 7:25 am and if I want to ride M-F I need to do it before that. So aside from getting up early, I need to make every minute count. That usually means hard riding. I tried "just enjoying it" for a few months in the summer and my fitness slipped. I'm in worse shape now that I was in June. That sucks ass.
Obviously you can question why I race at all, especially considering the last ride I did with you YTC was about 8 times more enjoyable than the Blue Mtn race on Sunday. I have no answer for that. I could say it's my competetive nature but frankly that's total BS. I guess it's like this. I race to "throw my hat in the ring" and when I see that it gets stepped on so hard I want to do better because I'm disgusted how badly I do. And the cycle continues.
Make any sense at all? Feel free to call me an idiot I'm sure my friends and neighbors do 🙂
idiot. 😀
i actually did the EXACT same thing...and i bet if i looked hard enough (or cared to look hard enough) i could find the string of posts from may/june where people were telling me i was riding too hard, that i should just go out and ride a bike for fun. so i did. i road casually. it was boring. and slow. and who the hell wants to ride slow. not me. so i stopped road riding for awhile and ran. now i realize why: b/c i was pushing myself again. that's what i enjoy.
hell, all of us know, even on 'friendly' group rides there is a bit of competition. i think it was alex who said something like 'i thought those big wheels were supposed to be great...they're all bringing up the rear!' the last time we rode MD together. i know it wasn't a dig alex, i'm just using it to solidify my point (frankly it could have been b/c i was on my back as you all rode by me). but anyway, my point is, it exists. scott, do you think i wanted to be struggling up that hill on stone gate behind you and norm? hell no, i wanted to be on norm's wheel...and we were just out having fun.
but that's the, to use a catchy sales term, "hot button" for me. i don't just want to hang, i want to be stronger. i harbor no illusions about winning any races particularly at 198 lbs and with one year of what can loosely be called real riding under my belt. but i want to go faster and be able to ride longer durations which will provide more fun. who knows, maybe in two years i'll look back on this stupid blog and related "issues" and laugh. maybe i'll be flyfishing. who knows.
what i do know is for the next six weeks i'm going to crush myself on the road. i can already tell i did something right b/c i'm sore today.
J-Dro
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As RyderX would say, no need to get all mtbnj weird about it. All I was trying to say is that there are alot of us who just quietly ride as much as we can and let the fitness chips fall where they may. Sometimes when you read these forums, you get the impression that you're odd if you don't have a strict training regimen and enter a race every weekend. Personally, I think over-analyzing on training quickly reaches a point of diminishing returns. But whatever works for you, carry on. I also have to admit that reading BikNBen's list of 10 thoughts from the race at Blue reminded me once again why I rarely enter any race. Why spend my limited time in the woods fighting some asshat who's trying to elbow me and push me off the trail to pass? Like I don't have enough stress in my life? Again, don't take this as being judgemental, I'm just saying what works for me personally.
BTW, I give you guys who blog here a lot of credit for sharing your personal successes and failures with the world. The forums would be boring without it.
BTW, I give you guys who blog here a lot of credit for sharing your personal successes and failures with the world. The forums would be boring without it.
Nothing weird about it, IMO. It's just a hobby that we obsess about, like any hobby-based Internet discussion board things can get a little out of hand from time to time. Remember you're dealing with a cross-section of people who get chainring tattoos and have images of bike frames as their PC wallpaper. At least we're not dressing up as dragons and fucking our steerer tubes.
elzoller
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i'm not getting mtbnj weird. i was busting your collective balls. it's a website for god's sake! besides, don't you know everyone here (well, other than myself, norm, and AON) are pro or ride everyday! getting huge miles, going big and just tearing it up. 😀 🙄
anyway, i've never been one to over analyze anything. ever. well, my job but that's a different story. anyway, most of this blog spewing comes from my inexperience in riding. i don't know what works and what doesn't. train too hard and you blow up. don't train enough and you suck. i'm using the term "train" very loosely b/c again, i'm not really training for anything. i just know i want to be better. clearly i'm not willing to do "anything" to get better otherwise i'd quit my job and move to some training facility. actually, that'd be dumb b/c if i really wanted to be a pro athlete, i'd take a year, get back into form and get a tryout with a pro lax team. actually, i'm not even sure if that constitutes being a "professional" if you make $35K a year. ah, i digress..
as for your thoughts on ben's list and racing, guys like brett (hardtale) live for exactly that type of action. i don't think that brett goes out throwing elbows (ok, i don't him that well, maybe he does 😀) but from what he's told me i know he's not afraid to mix it up. i also know he likes making motorcycle noises as he rides though the woods so take it for what it's worth.
jeff, i'm here for your entertainment and amusement.
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Jake, to create a course from one of your regular loops in Training Centre:
-In the History tab, select the ride that you want to make a course from
-Right click and select Create Course
-Click on the Courses tab
-You'll see New Course or something similar
-Right click and select Edit
-Give it a name (I give it a date so that I know when I achieved that time, and a location name so that I know where the loop is - you're limited to the number of characters though)
-Select the button on the tool bar that says Transfer to Unit or something.
-Yer done!
-When you're on your bike you scroll through to Training, then select Courses.
-Select the course you want to do
-Select Do Course
-Head back to the screen where you see your time, mileage and things
-Use the Enter button to select different views for the bottom half of the screen (overhead view, proflie view etc)
-Press Start and get going!
There's a chance that you may have to set something in the Virtual Partner screen on the gps device, I can't remember right now...
Then go and beat yourself silly!
-In the History tab, select the ride that you want to make a course from
-Right click and select Create Course
-Click on the Courses tab
-You'll see New Course or something similar
-Right click and select Edit
-Give it a name (I give it a date so that I know when I achieved that time, and a location name so that I know where the loop is - you're limited to the number of characters though)
-Select the button on the tool bar that says Transfer to Unit or something.
-Yer done!
-When you're on your bike you scroll through to Training, then select Courses.
-Select the course you want to do
-Select Do Course
-Head back to the screen where you see your time, mileage and things
-Use the Enter button to select different views for the bottom half of the screen (overhead view, proflie view etc)
-Press Start and get going!
There's a chance that you may have to set something in the Virtual Partner screen on the gps device, I can't remember right now...
Then go and beat yourself silly!
thanks dan.
i monkey'd around with it a bit last night and figured it out. stuck a 22 mile loop in for starters.
of course, i then realized i can't do the damn loop b/c there is road construction literally everywhere around my house so...
i monkey'd around with it a bit last night and figured it out. stuck a 22 mile loop in for starters.
of course, i then realized i can't do the damn loop b/c there is road construction literally everywhere around my house so...
Seriously if people weren't here to read about my idiotic misfortunes on 2 wheels I'd probably ride half of what I do now.
ditto.
ytc100
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Instead of racing why don't you join more group rides? I know you have the time limit thing but if you have time to race you have time to ride.
You will have more fun and can push yourself to be the fastest in the group if you want. Much more motivating for me than 1:2:10 or whatever all that interval stuff is you're doing.
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You will have more fun and can push yourself to be the fastest in the group if you want. Much more motivating for me than 1:2:10 or whatever all that interval stuff is you're doing.
🙂
no doubt about it. structured training blows which is why most people don't or can't do it. but i don't have time to race either which is another reason why i'm not. i would also love to do more group rides but at the hours i need to start them, most people w/o kids are just waking up. but i would certainly prefer more group rides.
what norm said.
Jersey_Girl_Rides
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I hope we can start more Group Rides this year as well. The shrinking daylight during the weekdays might encourage enthusiasm for planned weekend rides. Let's see if we cannot get some momentum going for such an activity, especially after the race season ends. I know some riders who would be interested in doing this sort of activity on a regular basis, even into the winter season when snow dusts the path.
The Picnic may be the perfect catalyst to this activity; once we all know each other a bit better we might not be so shy about meeting up at Ringwood or CR or Allamuchy on a regular basis.
ytc100
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I think there are plenty of group rides posted here.
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3276
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3328
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3293
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3234
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3186
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3272
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3265
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3190
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3244
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3227
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3193
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3182
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3047
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3064
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3027
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2903
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2910
These are just from the last month.
Granted many of these are midweek, inconvenient, etc.
One reason people may not post group rides is that NO ONE SHOWS UP! Or they say they are going to and then can't at the last minute. 😀
Of course you could always post your own group ride.
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3276
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3328
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3293
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3234
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3186
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3272
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3265
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3190
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3244
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3227
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3193
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3182
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3047
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3064
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3027
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2903
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2910
These are just from the last month.
Granted many of these are midweek, inconvenient, etc.
One reason people may not post group rides is that NO ONE SHOWS UP! Or they say they are going to and then can't at the last minute. 😀
Of course you could always post your own group ride.
Yeah the majority of these rides are mid-week. Not a single one of these is your standard PhatBiker-like group ride. You know what I mean. Stop being obtuse 😀
Right now I'm in the race season. I will try to lead some group rides after the last race of the year. Nobody will show, except you, Woody, and maybe Jake.
Speaking of which, we talked about this like a year ago. We need to do the Blue Mountain ride then hit that liquor store that's super-high rated up in that area. Now that's a group ride!
Right now I'm in the race season. I will try to lead some group rides after the last race of the year. Nobody will show, except you, Woody, and maybe Jake.
Speaking of which, we talked about this like a year ago. We need to do the Blue Mountain ride then hit that liquor store that's super-high rated up in that area. Now that's a group ride!
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