It's 2025 Is an Emtb in your near future?

Is an Emtb in your near future?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 7.8%

  • No

    Votes: 52 40.6%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 21 16.4%

  • Never

    Votes: 11 8.6%

  • Already own one

    Votes: 34 26.6%
  • Total voters
    128
frug said:
What does that have to do with anything?
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Is this a serious question? You want to know why I’m asking about you drunk posting?

You’re bordering on the dreaded Asshole on the Internet award. If you want to double down, go for it. But it may be your last post here ever.

There’s a difference between busting balls and being a dick. You’re standing on that line.
 
frug said:
So you ride a rigid 26er?
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I used to. And that bike weighed around 22lbs. Now I pedal a 31 pound FS bike around. Is it easier? On the downhills, big time. On the climbs? I’m say it’s a wash. Do I get as good of a workout? Yes, because I’m still the only one powering my 31lb bike. The fitness aspect of it hasn’t changed with evolving bike technology, with the exception of e-bikes.

Norm said:
You’re the perfect example of this. The year prior to getting an ebike you did zero damage to trails as you stopped riding entirely. Now you ride again. Obviously riding trails does more damage than not riding.

Jay mentioned every ebike ride he does is 3 hours long which is far more than he was doing without. And his mph is certainly higher.

It’s a multiplier. That’s what I mean by common sense.

I do not believe 10 miles on an e-bikes does any more damage than 10 miles on an Amish bike. But your 50 miles does more damage than my 20 miles.

I will also gladly cede the counter that more TM gets done due to e-bikes. I won’t argue that at all, as Jay points out above.
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I question this notion that those who were too broken to ride a regular bike are now throwing a 45-50lb bike around on the descents for 3 hours (barring the 2 guys out of 1000 who are the exception). It’s like the guys who used to hang around the fishing shop on full time disability who where to damaged to swing a hammer, but could move around chest deep in a rushing river for 12 hours swinging 1000 casts with a fly rod.
 
Captain Brainstorm said:
I used to.
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I figured as much. And I mean that respectfully not sarcastically. This tells me we are probably on different fitness levels. If you are working towards higher levels of fitness of course a regular bike is going to help you more. But an eMTB helps me get out on rides that would not have happened without it (due to time constraints and lack of energy). Plus, as you pointed out, throwing around a heavy eMTB is harder. I do get more of an upper body workout than on my regular MTBs. And it makes my other bikes feel light as a feather.

I’ll be the first to admit that I am splitting hairs here. If maximum fitness were my goal I wouldn’t be eMTBing as much. But I got one because they are simply fun as hell to ride (for me…maybe not for everyone).
 
Captain Brainstorm said:
I question this notion that those who were too broken to ride a regular bike are now throwing a 45-50lb bike around on the descents for 3 hours
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You are mixing 2 different scenarios to make the point. Case 1 goes from not riding to riding. Case 2 goes from riding 1-1.5 hours to 2-3 hours. We’re not really saying from 0 to 3.

Regardless you’re also quoting me but not really agreeing with, or disagreeing with, my point. So…Elmo Shrug.

Personally I truly don’t care. I am happy to see Matty riding again. You can make a very, very strong case that Deer Park has been resurrected due to the ebike in his garage. For that reason alone it’s a net positive.

End of the day? Fuck it. Send it on whatever you want.
 
Ebike took away the pumpkin knees I would get from a regular bike. It got so bad I couldn't sleep or work without extreme pain. Mind you I rode 13 years rigid SS almost exclusively besides working construction. This created a complete halt on riding, yes I could have surgeries but that does not fit in my job description. No way I could miss the time to rehab. So I gave an ebike a shot and it gave me smiles. I still work hard and long on my rides without the strain on my knees, win win...
 
Norm said:
You are mixing 2 different scenarios to make the point. Case 1 goes from not riding to riding. Case 2 goes from riding 1-1.5 hours to 2-3 hours. We’re not really saying from 0 to 3.

Regardless you’re also quoting me but not really agreeing with, or disagreeing with, my point. So…Elmo Shrug.

Personally I truly don’t care. I am happy to see Matty riding again. You can make a very, very strong case that Deer Park has been resurrected due to the ebike in his garage. For that reason alone it’s a net positive.

End of the day? Fuck it. Send it on whatever you want.
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I agree with you, the logic makes sense, and yes, I was going off on a tangent.

At the end of the day, I really don’t give a shit either what you ride. Shit, one of the dudes I sometimes ride with rides an ebike. I really don’t care what your justification for doing so is either, my only issue was with trying to sell this notion that you get the same workout as you do on a regular bike.

And aren’t the Amish not supposed to operate anything modern? Shouldn’t they be riding wooden penny fartings that they built in a barn?
 
Captain Brainstorm said:
And aren’t the Amish not supposed to operate anything modern? Shouldn’t they be riding wooden penny fartings that they built in a barn?
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Ha! You would think. I would love to see that. I don’t know the justification, but I did grow up in Amish country and can tell you they are blasting along the roads on ebikes alongside 55 mph traffic. No helmets. Just homemade jeans and dresses.
 
frug said:
Ha! You would think. I would love to see that. I don’t know the justification, but I did grow up in Amish country and can tell you they are blasting along the roads on ebikes alongside 55 mph traffic. No helmets. Just homemade jeans and dresses.
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Ya think there next gen gave the big fu to the previous? Probably never happens anywhere else, 😂
 
Patrick said:
Ya think there next gen gave the big fu to the previous? Probably never happens anywhere else, 😂
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Unless they're Mennonites? They look and dress like Amish, but can drive and use farm equipment. I buy killer blueberry and apple pie from those guys up in VT at a farm, and the kids are always blasting around on quads, dressed business casual.

mattybfat said:
Ebike took away the pumpkin knees I would get from a regular bike. It got so bad I couldn't sleep or work without extreme pain. Mind you I rode 13 years rigid SS almost exclusively besides working construction. This created a complete halt on riding, yes I could have surgeries but that does not fit in my job description. No way I could miss the time to rehab. So I gave an ebike a shot and it gave me smiles. I still work hard and long on my rides without the strain on my knees, win win...
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Sounds like it makes sense for you, and I'm glad it gets you back out. My n=1 observation is that you're a minority though, most of the guys I see back in Ringwood on ebikes look like they're in their 30's or younger.
 
Just got off the phone with a good friend who was suffering from major heart arrhythmia for a few months. He just got a procedure to stabilize his heart rate.

He just called me to say he’s ready for the ebike

I’m very thankful that I can offer him something to be able to ride the hardest trails that he knows about but still keep a heart rate where his doctor wants it.


At this point in his recovery, I am certain that he will find tremendous joy in getting out in the woods and getting away from phones and computers. I’m sure that he could ride a regular bike on flat terrain. It would have some impact, but this is gonna be tremendous for him.


This is probably the biggest case I’ve seen of adding life to his life with the electric assist.
 
I don't get the "I ride for fitness" concept... I didn't get into biking for that. I ride because it's fun. E-bikes are just another way to have fun. Simple as that.
 
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