Cars, it's electric! Do Do Do

SAM said:
My opinion: Stopping for gas was an annoying inconvenience. I do not feel that at all occasionally charging the EV at a fast charger.
Click to expand...

When I had an EV, I was surprised at how much I liked not stopping for gas. Argue how long it actually takes if you like but NEVER doing it - and never thinking about it - is just awesome.
 
  • Like
Reactions: SAM
JerseyPete said:
Does it slow down if multiple pumps are in use? It shouldn't but it seems that way sometimes.
Click to expand...
It shouldn't but it often does . Most newer stations or big quick checks , Costco will never be an issue . Older stations that did upgrades cheaply or kept 25 year old equipment under ground yup that shit will slow right down if multiple pumps being used.
 
shrpshtr325 said:
i pump my own gas more often than not these days, waiting for other people to do something i am perfectly capable of is pointless. . . .



p.s. dont tell anyone. . . 🤣
Click to expand...
Every motorcycle I have owned, the attendant always handed me the nozzle. It should be optional with cars, especially with some people getting gas on the side of the vehicle and slamming the gas cover closed.
@Carson do you pump your own in the Porsche?
 
Sorry, I watch this thread loosely because it has potential to get me seriously aggravated, as the bias displayed at times makes me dizzy (by both sides but usually the environmental warriors tend to be more self-righteous because...they're right, you know) .

That said, has the debate switched to how much time it takes to fully refuel an ICE compared to how much time it takes to plug your EV into your garage outlet (if that is even up to task) or zapping at the recharge station just so you can barely make it home for a robust, full and mobility depriving charge, seriously ? How about availability? Better plan for you 3 trips to HD in advance or it may take all day...and no, I can't ride my El Mariachi from RIngwood to Butler and back to pick up those 2x4 I forgot during the last trip.

Also have we cleared all the issues with sourcing the raw materials or at some point was determined that slave child labor is acceptable on the condition that is not talked about and kept outside the US borders? Can anybody bring me up to speed, please.

Also welcome any news on the disposal and optionally the recycling of the spent products of the above mentioned raw materials...

I'm not against EVs per se but I don't think we're ready for mass replacement of ICE vehicles yet, putting all the eggs into that basket makes for a giant shit omelette IMHO, kind of jumping from the Empire State Building hoping to develop wings on the way down and selling it like a plan.
 
serviceguy said:
Sorry, I watch this thread loosely because it has potential to get me seriously aggravated, as the bias displayed at times makes me dizzy (by both sides but usually the environmental warriors tend to be more self-righteous because...they're right, you know) .

That said, has the debate switched to how much time it takes to fully refuel an ICE compared to how much time it takes to plug your EV into your garage outlet (if that is even up to task) or zapping at the recharge station just so you can barely make it home for a robust, full and mobility depriving charge, seriously ? How about availability? Better plan for you 3 trips to HD in advance or it may take all day...and no, I can't ride my El Mariachi from RIngwood to Butler and back to pick up those 2x4 I forgot during the last trip.

Also have we cleared all the issues with sourcing the raw materials or at some point was determined that slave child labor is acceptable on the condition that is not talked about and kept outside the US borders? Can anybody bring me up to speed, please.

Also welcome any news on the disposal and optionally the recycling of the spent products of the above mentioned raw materials...

I'm not against EVs per se but I don't think we're ready for mass replacement of ICE vehicles yet, putting all the eggs into that basket makes for a giant shit omelette IMHO, kind of jumping from the Empire State Building hoping to develop wings on the way down and selling it like a plan.
Click to expand...
You sound exactly like the environmental warriors, except from the other side.
 
Patrick said:
besides, all the people driving their own cars, cause the can't change, will screw it up.
Click to expand...
Yes, and future vehicles will be hacked for full-manual mode. They'll have autonomous car to look out for them, tight?
SAM said:
I would gas up my ICE car at least once a week (more when I was commuting 120 miles a day). Be real, by the time the guy shows up to take your credit card (Jersey), swipes it, begins fueling and comes back once fueling stops, it has been around 15 minutes. Even if it were 8 minutes (really?), add all that up over time and I'm sure I spent much more time at the pump with my ICE car than I ever will at the charger with my EV. Time is time.
Click to expand...
Maybe 15 minutes at Costco on a Saturday morning, but 8 minutes is me being generous. Filled up my VW Tdi at 11:30am today - nobody at the station but me. At 53mpg I will not fill up again for ~5 weeks.
 
EV experience at the risk of generating more rage:

Yesterday I drove my Model Y LR to Belleayre Mountain Ski Center from Allendale, NJ - distance ~ 104 miles. I made it to Belleayre driving between 70 and 90 mph (climate on most of the way) with 51% remaining charge (from 100% start). The battery and cabin climate were preconditioned before departure.

Skied from 9am to 1pm. Sentry mode used maybe ~ 1% as I started the trip home at 50%. Stopped at the Kingston, NY Quick Check Tesla supercharger next to the Thruway for a ~ 10 min supercharge back to 60% from 33% ($8.36) and made it home with 30%. I drove home faster on the Thruway for sure, not so much route 28 from the mountain to Kingston.

I've had the car for about a year & it's great. In that time I've clocked 8.5k miles and charged a total of 2,600 kWh, mostly at home, for a total of $167. I had one tire replaced early in the milage due to user error (hit a curb), but other than this, the $167 is all I've put into it for the year.

My opinion:
  • I like being able to plug the thing in overnight to charge to whatever SoC I'll need for the next day
  • A little bit of planning (mostly done by the Tesla nav) is required for road trips if you think you'll exceed range
  • I've supercharged exactly 3x (the other 2x times were on a trip to Saratoga springs) so for me, I normally don't exceed range on any given day and can recharge easily overnight
  • For the mathletes out there -> the Model Y LR has a stated range of ~ 315 miles. Yes, 49% for 104 miles doesn't add up. There are plenty of factors for why this is the case (elevation, climate -> google it, I'm sure you'll find more). I'm not crazy about how Tesla states total range but I don't care b/c the car is that good and if I didn't drive it like I stole it, it would be more efficient.
  • The upfront cost of the car was pretty steep, but I think total cost of ownership will probably lean in my favor
Final note: I know my use case is not for everyone, just throwing it out there for others curious about EVs and day trips just outside the full range of the vehicle + some other details about charging.
 
Mahnken said:
You sound exactly like the environmental warriors, except from the other side.
Click to expand...
Do I now? How about bringing me up to speed on the issues I mentioned? I'm rather flexible and willing to change my mind if exposed to logical facts, most of the times. I'm a little less open to cycle to work everyday, all 60+ miles of commute because whatever outage prevents me from charging my EV. After Sandy we were in the dark for a week, I could still go to work everyday because I had a full tank and could reach a gas station to refuel. Was the same true for Tesla owners, especially those far from a charging station?

I do think we should make everything possible to lower or completely eliminate emissions and I would not mind if ICE vehicle disappeared as long as the life style is not affected by it, I'm just perplexed that the solution to this problem is to overnight convert transportation to EV.

I grew up moving exclusively using crowded public transportation

Patrick said:
did ya see the carbon neutral eFuels ?

hint: they use electricity to produce it

www.cnbc.com

Porsche begins production of 'e-fuel' that could provide gas alternative amid EV push

Porsche officials celebrated the beginning of e-fuel production with the filling of a Porsche 911 with the first synthetic fuel produced at the site.
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com
Click to expand...
Sounds interesting
 
GSTim said:
Did ya see electricity?

hint: they use fossil fuels to produce it. 😂


View attachment 202854
Click to expand...
I kid you not, back in Italy a few years ago some new wave politician was arguing that we don't need water processing plants anymore because everybody has in house running water these days. I find the argument similar to those convinced that EV by themselves will be THE solution to any environmental issue. The impact on the grid and how to support it seems an issue nobody wants to think about. If anybody has actually done the math, sure enough not a good job has been done to make the skeptics comfortable with the transition (granted, there's always going to be a hard core group that will refuse any departure from ICE vehicles regardless).
 
serviceguy said:
Do I now? How about bringing me up to speed on the issues I mentioned? I'm rather flexible and willing to change my mind if exposed to logical facts, most of the times. I'm a little less open to cycle to work everyday, all 60+ miles of commute because whatever outage prevents me from charging my EV. After Sandy we were in the dark for a week, I could still go to work everyday because I had a full tank and could reach a gas station to refuel. Was the same true for Tesla owners, especially those far from a charging station?

I do think we should make everything possible to lower or completely eliminate emissions and I would not mind if ICE vehicle disappeared as long as the life style is not affected by it, I'm just perplexed that the solution to this problem is to overnight convert transportation to EV.

I grew up moving exclusively using crowded public transportation


Sounds interesting
Click to expand...
If people really cared about the environment, they'd go vegan.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom