As the rest of NJ passes you doing 85.
Cars, it's electric! Do Do Do
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Mahnken
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Why are some of you guys trying to compare a $50k tesla to an old $10-20k car in relation to gas prices vs EV charge? OK, your $10k car had good milage and you spent so little on gas that the overall cost of ownership is cheaper than a tesla. Isn't there a $50k ICE car that does 0-60 in under 4 seconds that you can compare it with out there? Even if I were to buy another ICE car, it'd likely cost as much as the telsa, so those comparisons suck. So, if I bought a comparable ICE car, I'd be spending WAY more on gas than I currently do with the tesla. Especially considering 95% of the time it's getting charged for free.
Alot of people are looking at electric to save money, in the long run (cost of ownership perspective) the electric cars mostly (im sure theres something out there im not thinking of right now) are not on a cost level where you can ignore the purchase cost in the lifecycle cost calculations. I know i look at cost per mile to operate my cars, that includes purchase price, fuel, maintenance and repairs (and clearly I'm not the only one).
rick81721
Lothar
How do you figure that? I doubt they are even in the top 100 in the US. Their 2.6 million tons in 2019 is a small fraction of Berkshire-Hathaway!
https://www.statista.com/statistics/260363/largest-corporate-air-polluters-in-the-united-states/
rick81721
Lothar
My GT350 has averaged about 15 mpg over 30K+ miles.
Let me say what you're saying in another way.
"You guys are comparing your $15 Timex you bought at Walmart 20 years ago and the $20 for the 4 replacement batteries you spent during that time and how a Rolex is a waste. But I buy Omega watches, so please stop saying the $15 Timex is fine. I never have to replace the batteries in this watch as it's an automatic winding watch."
I'm far from anti-electric car, and I think they will become much more popular. But my car was $17k brand new all-in. Sure if I bought $50k luxury cars the Tesla may make sense, but I don't. There's no electric car that's comparable to the lower end of the market. The Nissan Leaf is a joke. The Bolt makes my car seem like a luxury car and costs twice the amount. A Model 3 is 3x the price.
The most important information I learned from this thread is Bill drives too much. WTF!
one piece crank
1pc Cranky
So, when you get so old you cannot find your own car, you need an EV. Got it.
THATmanMANNY
Well-Known Member
94 miles one way today. I used 100 display miles. average 75mph. keeping up with parkway traffic. Maybe 10 cars passed me total.
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@Mahnken dude, don't even try to be reasonable. I've given up. I was going to say throw cost out the window. Now what? It's like $1,000 cell phones were a good idea...
@UtahJoe @Bike N Gear that is a hard YES on both accounts. I'm laying out the facts and speed kills.
@shrpshtr325 from my view, it's not about the saving. Visit some EV forums. It's mainly about the drive. Majority treat their car just as a tool from A-B and having a nice quiet tool is well, nice
@one piece crank dementia isn't a joke. It runs in the family too. EDIT: also, the conversation ATM was about computers in cars so that was my story relating to computers
FACTS
@Mahnken dude, don't even try to be reasonable. I've given up. I was going to say throw cost out the window. Now what? It's like $1,000 cell phones were a good idea...
@UtahJoe @Bike N Gear that is a hard YES on both accounts. I'm laying out the facts and speed kills.
@shrpshtr325 from my view, it's not about the saving. Visit some EV forums. It's mainly about the drive. Majority treat their car just as a tool from A-B and having a nice quiet tool is well, nice
@one piece crank dementia isn't a joke. It runs in the family too. EDIT: also, the conversation ATM was about computers in cars so that was my story relating to computers
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Steve Vai
Endurance Guy: Tolerates most of us.
Also related is the number of folks that shit talk how their EV will smoke my Camaro because they watched some Tesla videos on YouTube. I'm like BRO, you bought a VOLT, it's still slow as fuck. 🤣🤣🤣
one piece crank
1pc Cranky
Also, I filled up with gasoline last Wednesday, drove back and forth to work, spent last weekend at the Shore (I live 3 miles from the Delaware River). This morning I filled up again. So, no real fueling hassle/issues at my end.
bergsnj
Well-Known Member
Electric cars are great for well-off people who can afford to buy or lease a new $50,000+ car every 2 years(that probably applies to most of us on here). But the majority of motorists in the USA drive cars for 8-12 years. Most buy used vehicles and keep them for as long as possible. Where are all the early tesla's these days? Don't the batteries degrade over time like any other lithium batteries? I bet the cost to keep a tesla going after 5-6 years when the warranty is gone is very prohibitive.
i understand this (hell its why toyotoa and honda do so well, its not like they make nice cars, just cheap ones) im not really one of those people, i enjoy the dynamic of driving a fueled vehicle, to each their own tho, the more electric vehicles out there, the more gasoline/diesel available for me to have my fun . . .
I believe Tesla actually de-rates their batteries from new and don't allow a full charge extending the battery life. Therefore as time goes on and the battery degrades it keeps the same range.
Tesla cars are very expensive to maintain not because they are electric but because they suck at building cars. Electric cars in general are relatively inexpensive to maintain for a long-term vehicle because the amount of parts and wear items in the drivetrain are MUCH lower than an ICE car. Tesla suffers from the same fate as a high-end German car. Lots of BS components to fail. The Model 3 and Y seem to be better in this regard.
Battery replacements can be more expensive than the cost of the used vehicle. First gen Nissan Leaf is a prime example.
However recent electric cars seem to not have the same issues, especially if there is active cooling of the battery. Also not DC fast charging often helps the battery life.
THATmanMANNY
Well-Known Member
okay, I like how you said this applies to most of us here
The early tesla's aren't sought after. Like the original iphone. 40kwh batteries, no supercharging. They probably get junked for parts but they do sell for like $20k still.
But I had a 2012 p85, 110k miles, the guy who I sold it to msg'd me the other day and let me know he said good bye. He did nothing to it.
The average lease payment per experian is $467/month. Considering if I sold the Model 3 today after two years I would be paying like $600/month. No engine maintenance. And no doubt I plan to hand the Model 3 down to my daughter in 10 years and hope she gets years out of it. Lets say 8. So in my position the cost conversation is moot. $227/month for 20 years factoring in an outrageous $10k what if service.
P.S. don't judge a book by it's cover applies to this thread
THATmanMANNY
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@Santapez agreement with some of you post but also not sure where this conspiracy is coming from. For clarifciation, there is no maintenance cost. Rotate tires and change cabin filter. If there is something to fix then yes, it may be expensive but any expensive car is expensive to fix (as you note). Sister's 2018 BMW X3 fuel pump and control module failed. I didn't ask how much. My guess is $1,000+
And it seems like you are just referencing the early Model S with the 1st gen MCUs. The cost is $1,500 to replace with MCU2 and get up to speed with a Model 3/Y. That's if it fails.
Battery failure rate.... (I'll try to dig up a vetted source)
And it seems like you are just referencing the early Model S with the 1st gen MCUs. The cost is $1,500 to replace with MCU2 and get up to speed with a Model 3/Y. That's if it fails.
Battery failure rate.... (I'll try to dig up a vetted source)
don
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Canoo is the closest thing to forward control in the works. Looks like an interesting platform
Electric Cars, Fleet, Pickup Trucks for Clean Energy
Canoo is engineering electric vehicles and leading the automotive world's transition to clean and sustainable energy.www.canoo.com
Thanks - that is exactly what I was thinking.
The platform section is very interesting - it seems like down the road you could swap "tops" based on the needs you have.
@Mahnken.... this....there ARE no good 20k options when it comes to electric cars right now....And while I dont think spending 50, 75, 100k on a car is a bad idea persay...(insert @rick81721 's GT350 which will hold its value) but a daily driven family mover that is going to get bathed in NJ salt....dinged by gravel falling off dump trucks....kids puking in it,....shopping carts hitting it.....just way to much money lost to deprecation for me anyway.
Im sure in time this will change and they will start making cheaper electric cars...I mean you would think they should...they are certainly more simple from a production standpoint than an ICE car....(no ICE or complicated transmission to assembly)
A Potted Plant
Honorary Sod
I spent my whole life going to a laundromat, now as a home owner I'm never going to live without my own washer and dryer.
The reason getting gas is acceptable is because you have never had it any other way.
so this is any car that you plan on using as a family mover? kindofa engineering and economics approach.
remember when a/c was an expensive option? you don't really need it. p/w p/l p/m - hell p/s and p/b were options!
Floor mats are $500 now! (you don't even want to know for the Yukon i had - 3 rows of seat mats, and two different hatch mats depending on if the 3rd row was up/down)
The incremental comfort of a stepped-up trim is worth it to me. Adaptive cruise, and lane keep (soon to be super cruise.)
heated and cooled seats & steering wheel. 8 cup holders 😉 is it that much over the life of the car? (it is double(?) the initial cost,
but no change in operation costs for ICE) - repairs costs are higher on the imports - but is the loss of an expensive component a given,
or just bad luck?
That situational awareness display on the tesla is amazing.
(although the driver might want to switch the map to track-up)
(my brother uses north-up. wtf?)
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someone weedwacked a rock into the boxster the other day - i'm driving down the road, he is working on a curb, and decides to rotate the head to horizontal as i drive by on the other side. chipfix kit at the ready. unreal. Shit's gunna happen.
a car that gets driven isn't an investment.