Build a better mousetrap.

ryderX

Well-Known Member
I was confused. I didn't preride the course and that damn barrier was sort of uphill off camber and there was only 1, so I was expecting the 2nd barrier to be 11 feet further...
 

Panhead

Well-Known Member
You think I can setup a race in bikereg, take your money, fail to show up or even hold an event, and pull it off every year?

I'm pretty sure I can swing that.

You'd be able to do it at least once.

I'm 100% sure the next race you show up at, your car will be on blocks and stripped in Newark before you're done with the second lap.
 

Norm

Mayor McCheese
Team MTBNJ Halter's
You'd be able to do it at least once.

I'm 100% sure the next race you show up at, your car will be on blocks and stripped in Newark before you're done with the second lap.

You mean after I pulled that stunt, or after the series of posts today?

Hey, any chance I can borrow your car next June 21st? I got a flat...
 

Panhead

Well-Known Member
You mean after I pulled that stunt, or after the series of posts today?

Hey, any chance I can borrow your car next June 21st? I got a flat...

Posts are all good, get talk going and things happen.

You know what I do, I'm starting to get into some heavy shit at work right now. Mind if I park it at your house, you can drive it....
 

xc62701

Well-Known Member
If H2H doesn't want you, check MASS, NYSMTB.

Why does it have to be part of a series? Just get the race established and worry about affiliation later.

Sorry this is what happens when you read posts in chronological order...
 
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Norm

Mayor McCheese
Team MTBNJ Halter's
A few things.

When you post something and delete it, I can still read it.

Rayn - you ask a good question. I'm not sure why anything needs to be part of a series. Having said that, there's a certain thread that helps it all by being associated with a series. W101 was fine without being part of a series, but for whatever reason it ends up there anyway. There's something about being associated with another entity. Maybe it's a college sports mentality.

Final point, MTBNJ Mouse Trap coming in 2011. There is absolutely no suggestion that our mouse trap will be better than anything that's already been done. In fact, it may be worse, awful, and terrible - all at the same time. It may be the equivalent of a mouse entering the trap and 4 additional mice emerging instead of bagging the original mouse. But rest assured that the MTBNJ engineers are working on making a functional mouse trap to be unveiled in 2011.

And there may be more.
 
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bonefishjake

Strong like bull, smart like tractor
Team MTBNJ Halter's
so by all means, if at some point you think our particular brand of mousetrap sucks, please let us know.

maybe you'll say something smart and we'll listen, maybe it'll just be Idiot 2.0. who knows.
 

Norm

Mayor McCheese
Team MTBNJ Halter's
Good. Lets revisit this thread in a year. Then we can talk.

By all means, feel free to talk now and tell us what you think.

I get the impression that you think I'm going to come back in a year and say that running a race is really hard and I was wrong in trying to offer constructive criticism (at least what I think is constructive) on the race series. I doubt that's going to be the case. If nothing else, I try to be open & honest about everything I do and say, and always look for ways to make things better.

There's no doubt that some people will love it if we run a race and it flops massively. I would hope that it's a small percentage of the people out there. But I'd be naive to think otherwise. I also know that some people love when I flat out of a race and DNF, or crash, or get my ass handed to me in a race. It's just human nature. I've had people complain about me when I didn't follow up on how their heart condition was. Seriously.

If you have anything constructive to add in regards to a race, or the board, or the way I moon walk for that matter, please do so now, not in a year. It can be here, or in a PM, on the phone, or in person. I imagine you'll be at the Sussex race(s)? Feel free to find me and we can talk if you like.

That goes for anyone reading. I'm an open book (or try to be). Really no need to worry, I've been laid into by the best of them. I can handle it.
 

bonefishjake

Strong like bull, smart like tractor
Team MTBNJ Halter's
That goes for anyone reading. I'm an open book (or try to be). Really no need to worry, I've been laid into by the best of them. I can handle it.

and for the record, it's not just norm being an open book, we all are. not that i think any of you will approach me with anything.
 

Steve Vai

Endurance Guy: Tolerates most of us.
I think some of these teams need to become the real deal and sponsor, promote and run a race in 2011. It's early enough to make it happen. Pull it off and show everyone how it's done, do it well enough and I'll bet you get be invited to the 2012 H2H promoters meeting next year at this time.

High Gear had a race planned out for 2010 that we bagged because H2H wouldn't allow it to be part of the series. That should be rule#1, to let us and others actually be included. The first year rule is total BS. We've been putting on road races, crits, and TT's since the 70's without any issues and yet somehow the H2H heads think we can't put on a MTB race without it being successful? Mike himself has probably organized more races than all the H2H promoters combined.

-Jim.
 

ryderX

Well-Known Member
High Gear had a race planned out for 2010 that we bagged because H2H wouldn't allow it to be part of the series. That should be rule#1, to let us and others actually be included. The first year rule is total BS. We've been putting on road races, crits, and TT's since the 70's without any issues and yet somehow the H2H heads think we can't put on a MTB race without it being successful? Mike himself has probably organized more races than all the H2H promoters combined.

-Jim.

Okay I'll take the bait and bite. Why did it need to be an H2H race ?
 

RNG1

Well-Known Member
Very good point actually. At the awards dinner, Brian reminded us all of the days when there were like 20 or 30 races a season and only some were part of the series. I personally think if there was a race during the usual dry spell that you would get a great turnout
 

Steve Vai

Endurance Guy: Tolerates most of us.
Okay I'll take the bait and bite. Why did it need to be an H2H race ?

I believe it will draw more people out if it were part of a series instead of a stand-alone event. Especially as a straight XC race. I could see doing another format on it's own, like a "1x9er-pal-ooza-101-of-death" as an example (patent pending) but then it would never make it into the series anyway, and not contribute to it's growth, so there'd be no point.

The H2H organizers should just have a rulebook that outlines the format each promoter should follow in order for every race in the series to be uniform. Same payouts, same start times, same scoring system, same classes, etc...That way it'll be fairly easy for a group wanting to throw it's first race to jump right in and know what's expected of them.

-Jim.
 

MixMastaMM

Team Bulldog Rider
I'm not wishing you guys to fail. I'm just going off of my personal experience. I had no idea all of the work and planning that needed to be done for a race to go off. Then I also had no idea how crazy race day is. Think of your perspective about racing the day before your first race and then after you finish said race. There were so many variables that one does not pick up on until they are experienced.

I would love to chat at SCCX, but I'll be busy with score keeping.
 

ryderX

Well-Known Member
I believe it will draw more people out if it were part of a series instead of a stand-alone event. Especially as a straight XC race. I could see doing another format on it's own, like a "1x9er-pal-ooza-101-of-death" as an example (patent pending) but then it would never make it into the series anyway, and not contribute to it's growth, so there'd be no point.

The H2H organizers should just have a rulebook that outlines the format each promoter should follow in order for every race in the series to be uniform. Same payouts, same start times, same scoring system, same classes, etc...That way it'll be fairly easy for a group wanting to throw it's first race to jump right in and know what's expected of them.

-Jim.[/QUOTE+1
 

RNG1

Well-Known Member
As much as I love this idea "1x9er-pal-ooza-101-of-death" I am not really sure if that is true because I think people just want to race and not have to drive a zillion miles to do so in the h2h dry spell. I do agree with you entirely on your other point of the guidelines. Well of course the scoring doesn't really apply as I don't believe there is a standard for that in the series.
 

Norm

Mayor McCheese
Team MTBNJ Halter's
I'm not wishing you guys to fail.

Sorry, didn't mean to suggest you were rooting for us to fail. I'm just saying that I know some people will be.

I know it's a lot of work which is why I have 2 people who have promoted races in the core group, as well as another who has significantly helped run one from top to bottom, another guy who has scored for years in H2H races...and so on. I understand there's a lot I'm not going to know, so I'm bringing in a lot of people who do know. Likewise, we have a professional CFO helping with the finances, a professional designer taking care of our design, several Jorba reps, and so on. I'm lining up about double the number of people I'd need, and getting race day experience from people who've been there. Hopefully I don't forget the number plates.
 
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