This Thread Blows - C19 and beyond

UtahJoe said:
So im gathering up the laundry in our room tonight to bring downstairs and wash....my wife hands me a garbage bag with clothes in it....I assumed it was stuff she usually puts aside for donation....Shes like no, those are my work scrubs....wash those too. im like WTF? How about we just set fire to that shit?
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One thing I always found weird is seeing nurses wearing their scrubs outside the hospital. In Italy nurses and doctor get dressed in their working clothes when they arrive at the hospital and gets back into their regular clothes when they leave. Same thing for shoes. My wife was a nurse in England before moving here and she’s always telling me that she would be issued a warning and eventually reprimanded if she were to show up at the hospital in her uniform or left in it. You’re not supposed to bring nasties in from outside or from inside to the outside. Regardless of the corona thing.
 
GreenMachine said:
nypost.com

Top New Jersey health official Judith Persichilli says everyone will get coronavirus

New Jersey’s top public health official says everyone, including her, will eventually contract the coronavirus. “I’m definitely going to get it. We all are,” Judith Persichilli told NJ.com. “…
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We can watch Manhattan (NYC county) to see the worst case scenario. They are closing in on 1% infection rate. Unfortunately, living in the most densely populated place in the US makes you a number one target for terrorism and the worst place to be in a pandemic. If any place needs to be in total lockdown that's it.
 
clarkenstein said:
Stimulus failed passage - was up to $2 trillion - which is an amount I cannot even fathom.

futures already hit the bottom limit. I think someone needs to tell the traders that they need to look at things a bit differently. Like, it’s not normal so don’t trade like it is, or should be.
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The airline industry is going to go broke by May - 60 m bailout there ... 2 trillion is only the start ...
They’re talking about 18k for per person under the threshold. - that’s over 2 trillion.
Mcloones laid off over 1000 employees last week in his 4-5 restaurants just as an example.
 
Norm said:
Well 2 things here. First, not everyone gets it. Second this assumes no vaccine will be developed. This will be fast-tracked and for sure not subject to the same lengthy clinical trials that normally slow these things down.
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Would you accept a vaccine that hasn't gone through full clinical trials for a bug that very much likely will not kill you if you happen get it? I'm not sure I would and I'm high risk.
 
Carson said:
Would you accept a vaccine that hasn't gone through full clinical trials for a bug that very much likely will not kill you if you happen get it? I'm not sure I would and I'm high risk.
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This begs a larger conversation but the answer is maybe.

Keep in mind that many of the OTC drugs we have today would never pass our current standards. For example, aspirin would have no chance.

So again, maybe. But to your (valid) point the 60+ generation probably would which would render my need to much lower.
 
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Carson said:
Would you accept a vaccine that hasn't gone through full clinical trials for a bug that very much likely will not kill you if you happen get it? I'm not sure I would and I'm high risk.
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If I had the virus and I couldn’t breathe because my lungs were blocked and there were no respirators around which is really a legit concern… Absolutely.
 
Carson said:
Would you accept a vaccine that hasn't gone through full clinical trials for a bug that very much likely will not kill you if you happen get it? I'm not sure I would and I'm high risk.
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I wouldn’t want a vaccine that was rushed.
 
Just want to provide sources for reference-
(Bloomberg) -- U.S. airlines are strenuously pushing the Trump administration and Congress for cash grants, arguing behind the scenes that a Senate proposal to hand them billions of dollars in taxpayer-backed loans isn’t sufficient to guarantee their long-term health, two people familiar with the matter said.

Over the past week, industry lobby group Airlines for America had been urging the White House to agree to its request for $58 billion. Now, the airlines and administration officials are pressing Congress for quick action on the industry bailout, aimed to blunt the fallout from the Covid-19 pandemic.
 
GreenMachine said:
If I had the virus and I couldn’t breathe because my lungs were blocked and there were no respirators around which is really a legit concern… Absolutely.
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The vaccine is to prevent you from getting the virus, it won't do anything if you've already got it. So you have to decide whether or not you want the rushed vaccine without knowing if you'll get the virus or how bad it will be for you.
 
GreenMachine said:
nypost.com

Top New Jersey health official Judith Persichilli says everyone will get coronavirus

New Jersey’s top public health official says everyone, including her, will eventually contract the coronavirus. “I’m definitely going to get it. We all are,” Judith Persichilli told NJ.com. “…
nypost.com nypost.com
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The way I read her quote: Her and the other medical professionals she works with.....but I would also agree that were all going to get it eventually.

serviceguy said:
One thing I always found weird is seeing nurses wearing their scrubs outside the hospital. In Italy nurses and doctor get dressed in their working clothes when they arrive at the hospital and gets back into their regular clothes when they leave. Same thing for shoes. My wife was a nurse in England before moving here and she’s always telling me that she would be issued a warning and eventually reprimanded if she were to show up at the hospital in her uniform or left in it. You’re not supposed to bring nasties in from outside or from inside to the outside. Regardless of the corona thing.
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lol, shit load of good that policy did for Italy. Im guessing this policy is different for people performing surgery, but most nurses I know in the ER buy their own scrubs.
 
UtahJoe said:
lol, shit load of good that policy did for Italy. Im guessing this policy is different for people performing surgery, but most nurses I know in the ER buy their own scrubs.
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It doesn't prevent a nurse from picking up the corona virus (or any other virus) from a patient coughing in your face inside the hospital, but at least it wouldn't exit the hospital on the scrubs. Plenty of other crap going around in a hospital.
 
GreenMachine said:
Just want to provide sources for reference-
(Bloomberg) -- U.S. airlines are strenuously pushing the Trump administration and Congress for cash grants, arguing behind the scenes that a Senate proposal to hand them billions of dollars in taxpayer-backed loans isn’t sufficient to guarantee their long-term health, two people familiar with the matter said.

Over the past week, industry lobby group Airlines for America had been urging the White House to agree to its request for $58 billion. Now, the airlines and administration officials are pressing Congress for quick action on the industry bailout, aimed to blunt the fallout from the Covid-19 pandemic.
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what they are saying is they are going to default on their loans/rent, there will still be pilots, skilled workforce, planes, terminals, and gas after this.
so if the "survive" means the guy in charge with the cushy salary would like to keep it that way.
now if they collapse, and all the contracts become void, doesn't that create opportunity for someone else?
or to renegotiate?

This has the ripple effect that whoever invested in them is going to lose their money - which is significant.
 
A few months ago there was a meme on facebook circulating about how we should go back to the simpler times of the 1920s and dress up like such. Well, of all the comments, I was the only one to bring up the Great Depression. Apparently history is rewriting itself, despite being eight years early.
 
Patrick said:
This has the ripple effect that whoever invested in them is going to lose their money - which is significant.
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That's what you get when you gamble.

We can't just have the government bankroll the airlines, then every other big org that starts to go under. This may be a solid 12 months of economic distress. We as a country need to focus our effort & resources to getting to the other side of this virus. We can't just dump billions-to-trillions of dollars into the airlines to have them sit around and do nothing every day.

I absolutely agree that as a nation we need to help ensure that come 2021 there is a way to fly. But the answer isn't "just give em' a shit ton of money." The airlines need to work with the government to ensure that flights can start up again at some point with additional safety measures in place. Maybe we're looking at a 50% increase in fares and no middle seats are sold for the time being. Maybe you need to start buying rows as a family. IDK the answer to this and it's frankly not my job to come up with a solution.
 
mtnbiker49 said:
A few months ago there was a meme on facebook circulating about how we should go back to the simpler times of the 1920s and dress up like such. Well, of all the comments, I was the only one to bring up the Great Depression. Apparently history is rewriting itself, despite being eight years early.
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Become newspaper boys and stand in soup lines ?
F that
 
JimN said:
The vaccine is to prevent you from getting the virus, it won't do anything if you've already got it. So you have to decide whether or not you want the rushed vaccine without knowing if you'll get the virus or how bad it will be for you.
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I thought he meant cure -,but yes I’d take a vaccine if it was proven successful elsewhere.
There are medical procedures in other countries that are successful but illegal in the US - stem cell - steroid based etc.
Bartolo Colon had surgery in Mexico on his elbow when his career was deemed over - they used steroids and hgh-, he tested positive, took the suspension then pitch another 10 years.
 
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