Tariffs...what to make of them.

[Norm]

I always look at it as calling out hypocrisy. You are calling out their team for bad actions (rightfully as you should) but when your team did it you were completely silent.

I assumed the hypocrisy argument would be the one that would immediately come up. I would say it is certainly not hypocrisy. It is simply not knowing about the other issue at the time. Hypocrisy is when I do something but then say it's not ok for you to do the same thing.

I call out Trump doing bad things.
You call out Biden doing bad things.
You are trying to move the narrative and shift focus to another actor to deflect the narrative.
I say, ok stop, this is not what we are talking about. These are 2 different discussions.

I'm not saying anyone should not call out Biden for anything. Start your own thread. I don't care. No hypocrisy there. What I'm saying is that people need to stop throwing red herrings into the conversation to add so much nonsense that the original point is lost.

Hey, what do you think of the new Michael Jackson album?
Oh man that guy is into kiddie, porn, that's fucked up.

2 totally separate topics. If you want to complain about Michael Jackson's habits, go for it. I'm not begrudging you that at all. But it literally has no impact on the quality of his latest album.

I'm going to guess that the vast majority of people did not know anything about the lawyers and Faucci and so on. I certainly was not paying attention at the time so instead of sending everyone down a rabbit hole of Google research (which we all know is just loaded with bulletproof facts), let's stay on the topic at hand.

I have long held the opinion that most politicians are pieces of garbage that exist mostly to get themselves reelected. I have said for as long as I can remember that I think government positions should be limited to one term. Then you would weed out the career kickback issue and maybe have elected officials that give a shit.

That said, I firmly believe that where Biden was 50% piece of garbage, Trump is 90% piece of garbage. I have actually not seen much that would deserve that 10% leeway but in the interests of being fair, I'll stop at 90 instead of 100. And that previous opinion, plus $5, will get me a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

 

[The_Mountainside_Menace]

The fact you still think Ivermectin is a horse medicine only shows the level of propaganda and brainwashing you've been subjected to.

The slightest bit of research will show you it is a Nobel Winning medicine for humans considered one of the most influential drugs ever brought to market (arguably second to only penicillin). It also time again has proven to display one of the highest safety profiles of all drugs.

And that research is not limited to right-leaning sources only. Even left-leaning sources align with this.

I don't remember who thought AIs were infallible (unless they were fed lies, which in itself is a hilarious take), but both ChatGPT (proclaimed here as the best and infallible, tho I proved that wrong quite easily) and Google Gemini, also agree. Why did I pick these 2? Because they are understood to be left-leaning and have in the past suppressed right-leaning views.

I agree, if your doctor prescribes you the animal formulation and dosage of Ivermectin you should surely run for the hills, or not take advice from your vet. But if your doctor is prescribing the human formulation and dosage, you probably have a very competent medical professional caring for you.

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What are you arguing? It is a fact that Ivermectin was being used dangerously due to misinformation spread during COVID and people were sourcing animal formulations of the drug which isn't safe for human consumption. So it is a satirical comment to say that people were using horse de-wormer (which they were).

 

[SmooveP]

By "going after", he revoked their security clearances.
I think we would all agree that any law firm with a security clearance should be ethical and trustworthy.
Perkins-Coei is the firm that fabricated the Russia Collusion hoax, so why let them have the privileged of security clearance? They don't need a security clearance to litigate election law.

The democrats made attempts to disbar lawyers who worked for Trump and revoke medical licenses from doctors who disagreed with Fauci on covid.
Were you okay with that?

Having a security clearance does not by itself provide anyone access to classified information. You still have to have a "need to know" and be "read on" to a specific program to get access. I had a TS-SCI clearance for 25 years. This is just another petty, vengeful symbolic action by Trump.

 

[rjr44]

It is simply not knowing about the other issue at the time.

Well said and pretty much agree across the board. Yes, not all people are being hypocrites, the passage of time does lead to us forgetting what happened so long ago (I already forgot what I ate for dinner yesterday).

But there are indeed folks who knew about the issue at the time and were mum or defended it. Of course, it happened so long ago that no one cares to find those receipts.

As an example, I do remember how many said Trump would pre-pardon his own family on his way out of office. But then he didn't. Then Biden said he would never do such a thing, but did on his way out. I recall right-leaning groups criticizing him while left-leaning groups defended it as well Trump would do it so he had to in order to protect his family. And then if Trump does do it on his way out this time, the left will criticize him and the right will say well that's what Biden did, he set the precedent.

Lather, rinse, repeat political style. All I'm saying is that it absolutely happens, blind and utter allegiance to one's team despite the facts.

As always, there are many explanations for what people say, and most of us here are into good back-and-forth conversations. I never assume anyone here is a troll and even w/ hard evidence suggesting someone might be I like to give benefit of the doubt that written word just isn't the best for this stuff.

 

[Norm]

blind and utter allegiance to one's team

This is really the crux of it all, isn't it? We seem to think we are on team X or team Y. This shouldn't be like sports. But somehow it is.

 

[rjr44]

What are you arguing? It is a fact that Ivermectin was being used dangerously due to misinformation spread during COVID and people were sourcing animal formulations of the drug which isn't safe for human consumption. So it is a satirical comment to say that people were using horse de-wormer (which they were).

I'm arguing the misinformation that ivermectin is only a horse medicine is just that, misinformation. The original poster did just that, called it a horse medicine. They did NOT qualify it as you did, and that bit of nuance is important.

Am I saying no one illegally sourced the horse formulation? Tell me where I said that pls, I'll wait.

Do I think no one did that? Of course not. Darwin Award nominees illustrate that the human race contains many individuals who lack critical thinking skills. Heck, not even critical thinking, just base thinking altogether. Remember the Tide Pod phenomenon? Stupid people will do stupid things, but that's not what the original poster was referring to.

In the post I responded to, the poster explicitly said if your doctor prescribed you horse dewormer get a new doctor (paraphrasing, don't care to waste time going back for exact words). Which I explicitly agreed to! But I repaat, they insinuated that it is a horse medicine only, which is completely wrong.

Do I infer that most people who got ivermectin prescriptions from their doctors got the human formulation? You bet, unless your doctor was an absolute crack-pot.

And the biggest bit of mis-information re: Ivermectin during COVID was that it had no potential usage for treatment. The fact is they didn't evaluate it because if it showed efficacy they couldn't have forced the new vaccines on us via emergency use authorization and make billions.

 

[rjr44]

This is really the crux of it all, isn't it? We seem to think we are on team X or team Y. This shouldn't be like sports. But somehow it is.

Agreed! That why I always try to qualify my views in these political convos as I'm on TEAM USA only, RED WHITE AND BLUE.

I wanted Biden to be the best prez ever. I want Trump to be the best ever. If Kamala won I would have wanted her to be the best ever. Cuz if each president is the best ever our country gets better and better.

Yes, I know that's not the case. But why would I route AGAINST our president as opposed to FOR? That doesn't mean I agree w/ everything they do or don't criticize what they are doing, but in the end I just want them to be successful in making the country better.

 

[thegock]

The democrats made attempts to revoke medical licenses from doctors who disagreed with Fauci on covid.
Were you okay with that?

Breaux, u realize that Dr. Anthony Fauci graduated #1 in his Cornell Med school class for a reason as opposed to the idiot (Judy Mirkovitz?), who produced that Plandumbic video?

What was the last book u read? I mean without pictures?

 

[Santapez]

Well said and pretty much agree across the board. Yes, not all people are being hypocrites, the passage of time does lead to us forgetting what happened so long ago (I already forgot what I ate for dinner yesterday).

But there are indeed folks who knew about the issue at the time and were mum or defended it. Of course, it happened so long ago that no one cares to find those receipts.

As an example, I do remember how many said Trump would pre-pardon his own family on his way out of office. But then he didn't. Then Biden said he would never do such a thing, but did on his way out. I recall right-leaning groups criticizing him while left-leaning groups defended it as well Trump would do it so he had to in order to protect his family. And then if Trump does do it on his way out this time, the left will criticize him and the right will say well that's what Biden did, he set the precedent.

Lather, rinse, repeat political style. All I'm saying is that it absolutely happens, blind and utter allegiance to one's team despite the facts.

As always, there are many explanations for what people say, and most of us here are into good back-and-forth conversations. I never assume anyone here is a troll and even w/ hard evidence suggesting someone might be I like to give benefit of the doubt that written word just isn't the best for this stuff.

The comparisons do become valid to discuss what's an acceptable precedent, or pointing out how someone you're discussing a point with that their opinion is based on bias and they aren't consistent with it.

It doesn't mean their complaint is invalid at all, but it comes back to why someone has a belief. We should all be examining why we have beliefs and if it's based on logic and fact, or just bias massaging those logic and facts to our preconceived notion.

Assuming it's a discussion where both parties are looking to learn and grow...

 

[UtahJoe]

The fact you still think Ivermectin is a horse medicine only shows the level of propaganda and brainwashing you've been subjected to.

The slightest bit of research will show you it is a Nobel Winning medicine for humans considered one of the most influential drugs ever brought to market (arguably second to only penicillin). It also time again has proven to display one of the highest safety profiles of all drugs.

And that research is not limited to right-leaning sources only. Even left-leaning sources align with this.

I don't remember who thought AIs were infallible (unless they were fed lies, which in itself is a hilarious take), but both ChatGPT (proclaimed here as the best and infallible, tho I proved that wrong quite easily) and Google Gemini, also agree. Why did I pick these 2? Because they are understood to be left-leaning and have in the past suppressed right-leaning views.

I agree, if your doctor prescribes you the animal formulation and dosage of Ivermectin you should surely run for the hills, or not take advice from your vet. But if your doctor is prescribing the human formulation and dosage, you probably have a very competent medical professional caring for you.

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Yes, well this is 5 years on....go back in time to when the ivermectin thing popped up? What happened? people ran to tractor supply and for veterinarian ivermectin and started taking it..... As someone who had a direct line of sight into the whole covid mess...my wife being an ER nurse in morristown.....one thing to note is that people are REALLY fucking dumb. There were people in the ER sick from all kinds of witch doctor nonsense...like pouring bleach on their own food.

I have long held the opinion that most politicians are pieces of garbage that exist mostly to get themselves reelected. I have said for as long as I can remember that I think government positions should be limited to one term. Then you would weed out the career kickback issue and maybe have elected officials that give a shit.

this 100%.....ontop of the fact that while MAGA is bashing the Ukraine for eliminating political parties (they have 349)....WE...the worlds model of freedom have TWO.....We have a duopoly that is totally self serving and has been made nearly impossible to change...well other then one side or the other tweaking things in own interest every few years. We have made being a politician a career only for people who get up in the morning, look in the mirror and say "the world can't exist without me in it"....you are automatically hated by 50% of the population.

I dream of the day we can have ranked choice voting, but neither party would ever allow that threat to their power.

 

[JPark]

Even if the the Russian collusion was a hoax there are proper ways to disbar an attorney without using an Executive Order. I doubt every attorney and employee in the firm was part of your so called hoax. In addition to removing security clearances the order also bars the firm's employees from federal buildings, and prohibits federal employees from engaging with firm's staff. Thus a DC law firm can essentially no longer do business in DC.

Do this to one firm and why would any other firm ever represent anyone trying to go against trump or the government?

Are you talking about the voter fraud cases? The 40, 60, 90+ cases (I can't remember how many) that found absolutely no voter fraud? I don't recall any executive order against those attorneys or their firms. Do you? Or are you talking about something else?

Trump is NOT disbarring anyone with an executive order and does not have the power to do so. He is removing a privilege most law firms do not have.

Project 65 is the left-backed group going after lawyers who worked for Trump.

https://www.axios.com/2022/03/07/trump-election-lawyers-disbar

 

[JPark]

I assumed the hypocrisy argument would be the one that would immediately come up. I would say it is certainly not hypocrisy. It is simply not knowing about the other issue at the time. Hypocrisy is when I do something but then say it's not ok for you to do the same thing.

I call out Trump doing bad things.
You call out Biden doing bad things.
You are trying to move the narrative and shift focus to another actor to deflect the narrative.
I say, ok stop, this is not what we are talking about. These are 2 different discussions.

I'm not saying anyone should not call out Biden for anything. Start your own thread. I don't care. No hypocrisy there. What I'm saying is that people need to stop throwing red herrings into the conversation to add so much nonsense that the original point is lost.

Hey, what do you think of the new Michael Jackson album?
Oh man that guy is into kiddie, porn, that's fucked up.

2 totally separate topics. If you want to complain about Michael Jackson's habits, go for it. I'm not begrudging you that at all. But it literally has no impact on the quality of his latest album.

I'm going to guess that the vast majority of people did not know anything about the lawyers and Faucci and so on. I certainly was not paying attention at the time so instead of sending everyone down a rabbit hole of Google research (which we all know is just loaded with bulletproof facts), let's stay on the topic at hand.

I have long held the opinion that most politicians are pieces of garbage that exist mostly to get themselves reelected. I have said for as long as I can remember that I think government positions should be limited to one term. Then you would weed out the career kickback issue and maybe have elected officials that give a shit.

That said, I firmly believe that where Biden was 50% piece of garbage, Trump is 90% piece of garbage. I have actually not seen much that would deserve that 10% leeway but in the interests of being fair, I'll stop at 90 instead of 100. And that previous opinion, plus $5, will get me a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

I completely agree with you on Term Limits.

 

[rjr44]

Breaux, u realize that Dr. Anthony Fauci graduated #1 in his Cornell Med school class for a reason as opposed to the idiot (Judy Mirkovitz?), who produced that Plandumbic video?

What was the last book u read? I mean without pictures?

I'm not commenting on Fauci directly as I don't know enough about the guy other than the good and bad that's spread by various pro and anti sources. Which means I know nothing cuz I haven't done any research on him (nor will I).

BUT your argument that graduating top of class makes him somehow infallible and unquestionable (I'm possibly erroneously assuming you are inferring such) is not a good argument. History is full of high achievers who went on to do very, very bad things.

Does anyone remember the una-bomber? (there are other better examples but I'm about done w/ my mental reboot for work so don't have time to find better ones)

• Early Academic Success:
  Kaczynski was a gifted student, skipping two grades (sixth and eleventh) and graduating high school at age 15.
  
  
• Harvard University:
  He attended Harvard University at age 16, earning a Bachelor of Arts degree in mathematics with a GPA of 3.12.
  
  
• Further Education:
  He later earned a Ph.D. in mathematics from the University of Michigan in 1967.
  
  
• Academic Career:
  He taught at the University of California, Berkeley, but resigned after two years.
  
  
• Abandoned Academic Career:
  He abandoned his academic career in 1969 to pursue a reclusive primitive lifestyle.

 

[JPark]

Yes, well this is 5 years on....go back in time to when the ivermectin thing popped up? What happened? people ran to tractor supply and for veterinarian ivermectin and started taking it..... As someone who had a direct line of sight into the whole covid mess...my wife being an ER nurse in morristown.....one thing to note is that people are REALLY fucking dumb. There were people in the ER sick from all kinds of witch doctor nonsense...like pouring bleach on their own food.


this 100%.....ontop of the fact that while MAGA is bashing the Ukraine for eliminating political parties (they have 349)....WE...the worlds model of freedom have TWO.....We have a duopoly that is totally self serving and has been made nearly impossible to change...well other then one side or the other tweaking things in own interest every few years. We have made being a politician a career only for people who get up in the morning, look in the mirror and say "the world can't exist without me in it"....you are automatically hated by 50% of the population.

I dream of the day we can have ranked choice voting, but neither party would ever allow that threat to their power.

I agree with you about the problems of a 2 party system. I don't think Rank Choice voting is the answer though. I would rather have run-off elections like most parliamentary countries have. This will give other political parties a way in. Actually, one of the biggest barriers to 3rd parties are the established parties filing lawsuits to keep them off the ballet.

 

[Bike N Gear]

Trump is NOT disbarring anyone with an executive order and does not have the power to do so. He is removing a privilege most law firms do not have.

Project 65 is the left-backed group going after lawyers who worked for Trump.

https://www.axios.com/2022/03/07/trump-election-lawyers-disbar

He also tried to ban the all the firm's employees from federal buildings, and prohibits federal employees from engaging with firm's staff. That's not retaliation?

So you're saying that a bunch of legal activists fighting against trump is the same thing as a Presidential Executive Order?

 

[Doom]

Does anyone remember the una-bomber? (there are other better examples but I'm about done w/ my mental reboot for work so don't have time to find better ones)

• Early Academic Success:
  Kaczynski was a gifted student, skipping two grades (sixth and eleventh) and graduating high school at age 15.
  
  
• Harvard University:
  He attended Harvard University at age 16, earning a Bachelor of Arts degree in mathematics with a GPA of 3.12.
  
  
• Further Education:
  He later earned a Ph.D. in mathematics from the University of Michigan in 1967.
  
  
• Academic Career:
  He taught at the University of California, Berkeley, but resigned after two years.
  
  
• Abandoned Academic Career:
  He abandoned his academic career in 1969 to pursue a reclusive primitive lifestyle.

His papers are an interesting read.

The Ted K Archive

The Ted K Archive

www.thetedkarchive.com

 

[JPark]

Breaux, u realize that Dr. Anthony Fauci graduated #1 in his Cornell Med school class for a reason as opposed to the idiot (Judy Mirkovitz?), who produced that Plandumbic video?

What was the last book u read? I mean without pictures?

I won't personally insult you like you did to me, but the last book I read was Death's End. The last book of the 3 Body Problem trilogy.

 

[scott62]

The fact you still think Ivermectin is a horse medicine only shows the level of propaganda and brainwashing you've been subjected to.

The slightest bit of research will show you it is a Nobel Winning medicine for humans considered one of the most influential drugs ever brought to market (arguably second to only penicillin). It also time again has proven to display one of the highest safety profiles of all drugs.

And that research is not limited to right-leaning sources only. Even left-leaning sources align with this.

I don't remember who thought AIs were infallible (unless they were fed lies, which in itself is a hilarious take), but both ChatGPT (proclaimed here as the best and infallible, tho I proved that wrong quite easily) and Google Gemini, also agree. Why did I pick these 2? Because they are understood to be left-leaning and have in the past suppressed right-leaning views.

I agree, if your doctor prescribes you the animal formulation and dosage of Ivermectin you should surely run for the hills, or not take advice from your vet. But if your doctor is prescribing the human formulation and dosage, you probably have a very competent medical professional caring for you.

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It’s for poisoning worms and parasites , not killing or stoping viruses ….

 

[Norm]

last book I read was Death's End. The last book of the 3 Body Problem trilogy.

Great book, great trilogy.

 

[JPark]

I'm not commenting on Fauci directly as I don't know enough about the guy other than the good and bad that's spread by various pro and anti sources. Which means I know nothing cuz I haven't done any research on him (nor will I).

BUT your argument that graduating top of class makes him somehow infallible and unquestionable (I'm possibly erroneously assuming you are inferring such) is not a good argument. History is full of high achievers who went on to do very, very bad things.

Does anyone remember the una-bomber? (there are other better examples but I'm about done w/ my mental reboot for work so don't have time to find better ones)

• Early Academic Success:
  Kaczynski was a gifted student, skipping two grades (sixth and eleventh) and graduating high school at age 15.
  
  
• Harvard University:
  He attended Harvard University at age 16, earning a Bachelor of Arts degree in mathematics with a GPA of 3.12.
  
  
• Further Education:
  He later earned a Ph.D. in mathematics from the University of Michigan in 1967.
  
  
• Academic Career:
  He taught at the University of California, Berkeley, but resigned after two years.
  
  
• Abandoned Academic Career:
  He abandoned his academic career in 1969 to pursue a reclusive primitive lifestyle.

Not to mention, some of the world's most successful people are college dropouts.