USAC and H2H?

USAC vs not USAC is one question. But if it's going to be USAC it can only be a positive thing to NOT require an annual licence for any cat. Let the racer decide.
Maybe this is already the case, but apparently it's not clear. There's nothing wrong with asking questions & trying to improve the series.
 
Sven Migot said:
USAC vs not USAC is one question. But if it's going to be USAC it can only be a positive thing to NOT require an annual licence for any cat. Let the racer decide.
Maybe this is already the case, but apparently it's not clear. There's nothing wrong with asking questions & trying to improve the series.
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Sven Migot said:
USAC vs not USAC is one question. But if it's going to be USAC it can only be a positive thing to NOT require an annual licence for any cat. Let the racer decide.
Maybe this is already the case, but apparently it's not clear. There's nothing wrong with asking questions & trying to improve the series.
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I think the first step here is clarification - as @JimN pointed out, usac wanted all cat1/pro racers to have an annual license rather than 1 day. It is no longer the case.
taking its cue from USAC, i'd expect H2H to follow.

It is about asking the right question -
Q1 - I see that USAC is now issuing 1-day cat1/pro license. I'm not interesting in competing for the state championship right now. Can i get/use a 1-day expert license?

A follow-up might be a discussion about "if not allowing" it, and that is a barrier to entry for someone who might travel/do 1 H2H race.
And the concern might be a ringer investing $25 in a 1-day to take the prize money which is really meant to go to series participants....
Answer: You can race, and win, but can't win the cash....

This is all new information to many people, so we can all hang on while clarification is obtained. Now that it is exposed,
there can be intelligent discussion at the race committee level. There is also the point that bikereg will be offering it at registration time,
so it does not have to be sold/enforced at the race - which was more of a problem, since there is money involved with earning a podium spot.
 
Patrick said:
significant per racer if the field was larger than 200?
is it more than FAT? (timing people)
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You have to pay to be part of USAC, and to be a promoter, and something else. IDK what I forget.

Then yes you pay per racer. I do not know what the costs are really. I block it out the second I am done with it. I hate it all and it's what pushes me to quitting this nonsense every year.
 
Norm said:
You have to pay to be part of USAC, and to be a promoter, and something else. IDK what I forget.

Then yes you pay per racer. I do not know what the costs are really. I block it out the second I am done with it. I hate it all and it's what pushes me to quitting this nonsense every year.
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You pay a permit fee through USAC to setup a race and then you pay per participant for the insurance. I think it’s $4.25 per racer.
 
xc62701 said:
You pay a permit fee through USAC to setup a race and then you pay per participant for the insurance. I think it’s $4.25 per racer.
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Well you also need to pay to be a member, a promoter, and a team.
 
xc62701 said:
You pay a permit fee through USAC to setup a race and then you pay per participant for the insurance. I think it’s $4.25 per racer.
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is this more or less than you'd pay in the open market?
Or what i'm really asking, "Is this a positive or negative incremental?"
What about the time savings of not shopping around?

I pay dues to two different organizations to be an official at XC and Track& Field meets, then i pay a fee for each one i'm assigned to.
Also a background check, finger printing, etc (prob same as a nica coach?)
So i'm not unfamiliar with the pay, then pay again scenario. I just finished up my concussion course last night.
At least that was free.

They believe you are running these things for real profit, but you are running them as cost+, attempting to make a few
bucks for the team, not refill the tanks on the yacht. In that scenario, they want in.
 
Patrick said:
is this more or less than you'd pay in the open market?
Or what i'm really asking, "Is this a positive or negative incremental?"
What about the time savings of not shopping around?

I pay dues to two different organizations to be an official at XC and Track& Field meets, then i pay a fee for each one i'm assigned to.
Also a background check, finger printing, etc (prob same as a nica coach?)
So i'm not unfamiliar with the pay, then pay again scenario. I just finished up my concussion course last night.
At least that was free.

They believe you are running these things for real profit, but you are running them as cost+, attempting to make a few
bucks for the team, not refill the tanks on the yacht. In that scenario, they want in.
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I’m starting to research options actually so ??‍♂️.
 
Patrick said:
is this more or less than you'd pay in the open market?
Or what i'm really asking, "Is this a positive or negative incremental?"
What about the time savings of not shopping around?

I pay dues to two different organizations to be an official at XC and Track& Field meets, then i pay a fee for each one i'm assigned to.
Also a background check, finger printing, etc (prob same as a nica coach?)
So i'm not unfamiliar with the pay, then pay again scenario. I just finished up my concussion course last night.
At least that was free.

They believe you are running these things for real profit, but you are running them as cost+, attempting to make a few
bucks for the team, not refill the tanks on the yacht. In that scenario, they want in.
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the insurance Black Bear uses is a bit higher per racer but there is no added expense to the racer, no club membership fees associated with USAC, promoter fees etc. Also keep in mind I think the one day race fee goes back to USAC or at least half of it plus they get the post racer fee from the promoter. I have never understood what a person gets for their one day license fee? Can anyone answer that? Don’t say insurance because that $4 and change mentioned earlier is supposed to be that.

Black Bear chooses to go non-USAC because it saves the racer money in the end. It may cost us as a promoter a bit more but we think it’s worth it.
 
xc62701 said:
I’m starting to research options actually so ??‍♂️.
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I am told that the number of independent providers has gone down by 2 and the remaining ones are raising their fees. Word is the remaining indies are almost $7 a racer. I have not confirmed this.

We may be moving towards a zero sum game and a sun setting of the race scene a little bit more.
 
Pearl said:
Soon USAC will make you have a license for Zwift. You heard it here first.
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my opinion

if you race with a usac license and enter a non usac zwift competition for $$$ you are in violation of something.
that is where they are going to get you - and it will backfire on them....(or is that uci? and just pro level?)

too easy to create leagues, and attract talent in the virtual world for any governing body to dictate.
Yet there still must be rules, and officials, and oversight. Cause ya know people are going to cheat.
What/who will that be? Who is going to bring something to the table to make it worth it?
 
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