Turntable

Santapez said:
I thought I was a beginner and I'm not even that.

Sticking with my bike analogy I got the cheap mountain bike from Dick's and will ride it a few times a year.

@Norm it kind of bothers me you listen to Pink Floyd albums while riding the lawn mower. Pink Floyd is specifically why I wanted a turntable and speakers.
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And now that you are back to a turntable, you can play Empty Spaces backwards and hear the message.
Norm will just Google it instead.
Congratulations. You have just discovered the secret message. Please send your answer to Old Pink, care of the Funny Farm
 
Captain Brainstorm said:
What is the benefit of listening to new music on vinyl? I can see an argument for more vintage music, but everything these days is recorded digitally in a studio to begin with, no one is recording onto tape, so what is the nuance that you're listening for?

By buddy is a huge audiophile, spends ridiculous money on equipment (spent $25k on speakers), and even he doesn't listen to vinyl. Spends his money on speakers, tube pre-amps and CD players, A/B power amps, etc. Sets the room up with baffles and whatnot. Sonically, its the most amazing thing I've ever heard.
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I call it the snobification of America. Used to be just food snobs aka epicureans. Then there were wine snobs, then beer snobs, then coffee snobs, now music snobs.
 
JimN said:
When I watch movies these days, I tend to just watch the good parts of the movies. I don't usually watch them from start to finish. Sometimes, I watch the whole movie, but I pause it a bunch of times to take breaks and do other things. Movies were made to be watched start to finish without interruption. I really want to do this, but Apple TV and streaming apps make it too easy to pause or skip around though. Instead of just watching movies from start to finish with my Apple TV (which I really want to do), I bought a VCR from 1978 that doesn't have a remote control, and I've started collecting expensive vintage VHS tapes. This forces me to sit there and watch the whole movie as the director intended (which is definitely what I want to do) because I can't easily pause the movie or skip around.

Oh, and the entry level VCR was $300, and I have to clean the tapes before I put them in the VCR, clean the VCR regularly, and I need to buy new boxes for the VHS tapes, because the cardboard ones they come in can damage the tapes.
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Great parody. Tho I do this with books - most fiction authors have a penchant to go into irrelevant (to advancing the narrative) minutiae that drives me nuts. A good example was the pages and pages on the mathematician and his chaos theory in Jurrasic Park. A few paragraphs could have gotten the message across. I started scanning through and then just skipped all that nonsense.
 
rick81721 said:
I call it the snobification of America. Used to be just food snobs aka epicureans. Then there were wine snobs, then beer snobs, then coffee snobs, now music snobs.
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FYI, the music snobs came first. I remember going to audiophile shows in the city with my father back in the mid-70's. Tubes and vinyl were considered better than anything back then too.
 
Norm said:
I'd have to disagree with this. If you had the source of music in a closed room and playing through high-quality speakers, would you really be able to tell the difference between vinyl and CD and streaming? In this experiment, you don't get to hear the needle being placed on the record and the silence before the song. You just hear the music.

Even if the answer is yes, you'll never convince me it's the same level of difference as Wildcat versus Allaire.
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A better analogy would be riding Wildcat on a 140mm FS vs. a Rigid Singlespeed. Modern Recording devices and processes are a billion times better than anything during vinyl times so the whole vinyl argument is so lame. It's not better in any way.
 
Bike N Gear said:
FYI, the music snobs came first. I remember going to audiophile shows in the city with my father back in the mid-70's. Tubes and vinyl were considered better than anything back then too.
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TheGerd said:
My Techniques that I bought back in the early 80’s. View attachment 212741
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I had that exact turntable along with a Panasonic SA-6700X with the CD-4 decoder for CD-4 formatted LP's (encoded 4 Channel), and a Akai 1730ss R2R with Bose 501's in each corner. To keep the Akai and Panasonic going I recapped them back in the late 90's (sold the gear in the mid 2000's). Great system for whole house shaking. Toccata and Fugue in D Minor anyone?
 
I grew up in the 80s which meant listening to LPs and cassettes in cars. This was the high school days which means Sounddesign or Realistic modular units which had fair at best sonics. Some kids in Westfield had Japanese components with a pink noise detector, but at they end of the day it was about listening to King Crimson's Three of a Perfect Pair.

99% of TT setups will sound worse than your average CD components. Then there's also the quality of the vinyl pressings and how clean they are. A trick to improve your CD sound is to buy an external DAC. Most CD players have really low end chips, even ones at $500. Digital music is the same, get an external DAC.

50% of my listening is from streaming, Pandora/Spotify. Songs come on and an hour later I couldn't tell you for sure 3 songs I heard.
20% is from CDs, SACDs or DVD-audio
20% digital music from an ipod or similar device
7% vinyl 33/45
1% lacquer 78
1% cassette
1% 8 track... All rough estimates

For me, it's not only the nostalgia. I couldn't afford my own setup and my parents were never into records. So I would walk over to a friend's house just to listen to King Crimson on vinyl. Now I have some disposable income and spent more than I needed on a decent setup. The 78s are played on a German MC cart but it still sounds pretty crummy. Recordings from 100 years ago with 90 yo pressings on lacquer with no remastering will never sound like the Robert Johnson remasters from a few years back.

I'd like to know why kids today want to go to vinyl. Would be nice to know that they like to tinker and think about the process of choosing an album and reading through the lyrics on the jacket, fully emersed and not multi tasking. Well, at least that's what I do.

Typed this while listening to my portable Sony waiting for new tires...
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qclabrat said:
I'd like to know why kids today want to go to vinyl. Would be nice to know that they like to tinker and think about the process of choosing an album and reading through the lyrics on the jacket, fully emersed and not multi tasking. Well, at least that's what I do.
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My theory is that its "missed nostalgia". A combination of social media influencing, and bands like Metallica hyping the fact that they press their own vinyl which has now has created this perception that the "superior" medium for listening to music was vinyl. That you're somehow missing some sort of warmth or nuance that's not captured through more modern means of recording. Never mind the fact that the music today is created by instruments playing through digital amplifiers and recorded onto a computer. It also makes you sound like a real audiophile when you tell everyone you listen to vinyl, its one of those "right" things to say whether you believe it or not. Its analogous to a guy fly fishing with a $3000 bamboo rod vs. a modern light-weight graphite one. These guys insist that you're missing "something" fishing with the graphite, despite the fact it weighs so much less, that you can cast more accurately, farther, and feel a ton more with the graphite.
 
Captain Brainstorm said:
My theory is that its "missed nostalgia". A combination of social media influencing, and bands like Metallica hyping the fact that they press their own vinyl which has now has created this perception that the "superior" medium for listening to music was vinyl. That you're somehow missing some sort of warmth or nuance that's not captured through more modern means of recording. Never mind the fact that the music today is created by instruments playing through digital amplifiers and recorded onto a computer. It also makes you sound like a real audiophile when you tell everyone you listen to vinyl, its one of those "right" things to say whether you believe it or not. Its analogous to a guy fly fishing with a $3000 bamboo rod vs. a modern light-weight graphite one. These guys insist that you're missing "something" fishing with the graphite, despite the fact it weighs so much less, that you can cast more accurately, farther, and feel a ton more with the graphite.
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I have a low opinion of anyone who listens to the new Metallica albums. Even lower if it's on vinyl. 🙂

I was making the point earlier that if the album was created digitally, there's no reason to press it onto vinyl.

And on the hardware front, I'm already disappointed in my powered speakers but I sort of knew that would be likely when I bought them. Guess I'll have to keep an eye out on craigslist or whatnot...
 
Captain Brainstorm said:
My theory is that its "missed nostalgia". A combination of social media influencing, and bands like Metallica hyping the fact that they press their own vinyl which has now has created this perception that the "superior" medium for listening to music was vinyl. That you're somehow missing some sort of warmth or nuance that's not captured through more modern means of recording. Never mind the fact that the music today is created by instruments playing through digital amplifiers and recorded onto a computer. It also makes you sound like a real audiophile when you tell everyone you listen to vinyl, its one of those "right" things to say whether you believe it or not. Its analogous to a guy fly fishing with a $3000 bamboo rod vs. a modern light-weight graphite one. These guys insist that you're missing "something" fishing with the graphite, despite the fact it weighs so much less, that you can cast more accurately, farther, and feel a ton more with the graphite.
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So by this analogy everyone should be on ebikes by now because you can do it better longer and more efficiently 😁
 
mattybfat said:
So by this analogy everyone should be on ebikes by now because you can do it better longer and more efficiently 😁
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Damn, you may come off as a broken....wait for it...record....at times. But I'll give it to you here. You did nail this one.

I'm going to Jim's this weekend with my Revenge of the Nerds VHS tapes.
 
Captain Brainstorm said:
It also makes you sound like a real audiophile when you tell everyone you listen to vinyl, its one of those "right" things to say whether you believe it or not.
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Q: How do you know if someone________?
-Rides SS
-Is vegan
-Owns an airfryer
-Has that on vinyl...

A: Don’t worry, they’ll tell you.
 
mattybfat said:
So by this analogy everyone should be on ebikes by now because you can do it better longer and more efficiently 😁
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If fishing rods started casting themselves, then the analogy would be correct.

Having fished my friends $4k Leonard bamboo rod back to back with my NRX LP, I can say that NRX has so much more feel, sensitivity and accuracy at all distances. Then there's fighting a decent sized fish, where there's no comparison. Its like lapping a race track on a modern Ducati vs. a vintage BMW or Guzzi. You'll be flowing through turns with the Ducati vs. fighting to stay upright on an overweight, but pretty, hunk of steel with wheels attached to it.
 
mattybfat said:
My son is looking at getting into vinyl and i am many years removed. Obviously 22year old is looking in a low budget territory so for all you vinyl heads, any recommendations where to start?

This is a start from scratch and if any of you have extra equipment please share.

Thank you so much in advance...
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If you don't already have an amp with speakers, consider a USB version to play around for a few months. https://www.crutchfield.com/S-GbffI...ZhnFFxXFJkphss5ijrQTzHzTE8UCEY1hoC0YUQAvD_BwE
 
Santapez said:
I have a low opinion of anyone who listens to the new Metallica albums. Even lower if it's on vinyl. 🙂

I was making the point earlier that if the album was created digitally, there's no reason to press it onto vinyl.

And on the hardware front, I'm already disappointed in my powered speakers but I sort of knew that would be likely when I bought them. Guess I'll have to keep an eye out on craigslist or whatnot...
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Edifiers are pretty much the best at that price range. What's not to like about them?
 
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