What exactly is this "it" you're trying to record?
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What exactly is this "it" you're trying to record?
rick81721
Lothar
Hahah if you had infinite power and infinite computational capacity this might be possible. I believe you are confusing god with science fiction!
rick81721
Lothar
Nah the problem is far too immense. We haven't even figured out yet how to cure all cancers and that is an infintessimally small sliver of the problem you are facing.
which one - the VR problem of triggering a synapse?
or the recording of one's self?
the latter being infinitely harder, but not a large infinity, one of the smaller ones - like the number of primes, vs the number of odd numbers, vs all whole numbers, vs all real numbers....(uh oh, the concept of different infinities! #boom and for @Norm #mindblown)
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oh, and while we are at it, there is no free will. just because we can't model it, doesn't mean it doesn't follow a strict chemical and physical law....chaos theory will fall.
rick81721
Lothar
That was a good movie but it's fundamentally flawed. Our brains aren't computers running on just electrons, it's a biochemical machine - you'd have to "record " the chemistry and the electrical components.
The brain already records this "it". These people are looking for a way to transfer it and/or store it beyond a person's life. I think there is also an assumption here that a person's soul (spirit if you will) is captured by the brain.
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rick81721
Lothar
We were supposed to be flying around in jet cars by now, with every house having a robot maid:
I always get a kick out of these accelerated technological advance predictions. Let's figure out how to do something simple like mass-produce a fully functional humanoid robot for a few thousand bucks before thinking we can replicate the universe in 30 years
ugh - get a roomba.
we don't need the whole universe. - here is something worse, we don't need the physical universe at all, we need to be able to realize imagination. how the f are we going to do that? since we can't record the imaginary experience from someone.
and i'm not on anything atm.
VR isn't about memory, it is about experiences "in the now" - probably need to let go of reality to experience it fully (The Matrix)
The whole digital brain thing is much more complicated than totally immersive VR. (see above)
anyway, record the nerve interactions as it experiences something real, then play it back (or adapt it to others.)
Does this mean we can never go beyond what the original creators of this simulation knew of the universe?
imagination is part of the wiring??? vs experiencing imaginary scenarios.
but good question - what happens when something new comes along?
back to the question of taking your own reality, or a group reality.
Good night!
would that not be a paradox?
Does computer jesus have a name yet? The next logical step in this progression is the worshiping of computer jesus...Faith has already been established.
bucknejo
Well-Known Member
Last night, I was doing a typical weeknight ride in Wissahickon and at one point I was riding along Forbidden Drive and glanced down at my Garmin and saw it instantly jump from about 13 miles to 18 then 19 and finally 20 miles before returning to normal recording. So I continued along on my ride, and when I got home and uploaded the ride, this is what I saw:
And my top speed was 401.1 mph for the ride.
So obviously what happened is that I slipped into a wormhole on Forbidden Drive and was teleported across a fold in time to just outside Camden in the middle of the Ben Franklin Bridge. I can't recall any of this, but I figure that's because my high rate of speed caused me to momentarily black out. Traveling through a wormhole will do that to a brother, you dig? When you consider it, "wormhole" is the only plausible explanation given the constraints - singlespeed, Valley Green, Camden -- I mean it practically borders on cliche. Because ... SCIENCE!!!!
A long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away....
I'm not a NASA scientist, but is it possible the GPS satellite radio signals being broadcast to your Garmin were temporarily delayed/blocked and/or reflected by something flying overhead in such a way that the location/time triangulation/trilateration calculations put you in an altogether different space?
I'm guessing it was a black triangle - yep, aliens on flight path to Philadelphia.
ok - let me take another shot - writing a bit more clearly.
Let's park small computers that can detect and actuate the nervous system at every synapse, or tap into the 'highway' upstream.
Detection can be used for recording the real environment, and actuation can be used to "play it back"
It could also be played back to someone else - but i'm not sure everyone perceives the same way, so some s/w might normalize it, then
apply your personal coefficients....
there you have it, totally immersive VR. So movies like avatar, and surrogates might come to mind.
The physical brain is still required, and you are still you, but reality is perception......
Imagination is now some sort of strange feedback loop where these different recordings can be intermingled. Hence our
own, personal reality can be achieved.
The original pilot for Star Trek (1965) posed immersive VR, but through thought manipulation, rather than tech.
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this differs from actually digitizing a brain, and casting off the body.
This would be the proposed simulation that we live in now, no reason to keep the bodies alive.
Let's park small computers that can detect and actuate the nervous system at every synapse, or tap into the 'highway' upstream.
Detection can be used for recording the real environment, and actuation can be used to "play it back"
It could also be played back to someone else - but i'm not sure everyone perceives the same way, so some s/w might normalize it, then
apply your personal coefficients....
there you have it, totally immersive VR. So movies like avatar, and surrogates might come to mind.
The physical brain is still required, and you are still you, but reality is perception......
Imagination is now some sort of strange feedback loop where these different recordings can be intermingled. Hence our
own, personal reality can be achieved.
The original pilot for Star Trek (1965) posed immersive VR, but through thought manipulation, rather than tech.
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this differs from actually digitizing a brain, and casting off the body.
This would be the proposed simulation that we live in now, no reason to keep the bodies alive.
rick81721
Lothar
You seem to be realizing the complexity of the problem. The other aspect being ignored here is purpose. All research, product development, business, etc is governed by two principles, you need the ability to do something and a reason to do it. Let's assume by some miracle computers have advanced to the degree you suggest in 30 years. We could use this incredible technology to prevent all human diseases, to create amazing machines that allow us all to live fruitful lives, to clean up our environment and explore and colonize the galaxy. Or... we could use this technology so that humans could spend their entire lives never moving, never accomplishing anything, never contributing to society, living in little pods and imagining an entirely synthetic reality because.. why? It makes for a cool movie plot??
ah, you would want to move in-and-out of this immersive state?
I say it will be totally addictive, and nobody will want to leave. it will be reality, because it will not be distinguishable from the physical reality.....
time for work!
1speed
Incredibly profound yet fantastically flawed
I think you're making it more complicated than it really needs to be. The simplest explanation remains the best: I slipped through an obvious tear in the space time continuum and emerged at the exact point where the universe shall eventually collapse into a singularity ... Camden, NJ. Frankly, it's pretty incredible that I survived the experience if I do say so myself, but then again I do ride a singlespeed, so I'm already naturally "grittier" than the typical cyclist.
But time travel is so Tuesday. I'll spend tonight's ride graduating from this boring 3-dimensional projection to an higher-dimensional projection in n-space (mainly because I've always been annoyed at the topological restrictions of not being able to take my pants off over my head, and I figure I can hook that up in n-space.) You know - Thursday stuff.
rick81721
Lothar
So we would infect the body with a quadrillion of microscopic computers (just for the brain, ignoring all other nerves), somehow keep the body alive and fully functional in either live or synthetic reality mode, and then somehow control and coordinate these quadrillion computers??