Time and Space cannot contain me ...

JimN said:
I think Luke's theory isn't like The Matrix. He isn't saying humans are living in a tube somewhere and are jacked into a simulated world. I think he's saying that we don't actually exist, kind of like characters in The Sims. But I agree that it takes more than raw computing power to make credible AI/virtual reality.
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I actually can't decide on this. Did Luke zero get sick of playing simulation where I knew it was a simulation and tell the total recall conductor to make it so when press start this time, make it so I don't know that I'm in the game? I mean it would be infinitely more exciting to experience the game if I didn't know it was fake.
OR, are we a complete simulation that I was born into.
For all I know, I exist outside the game as a real being, and every last one of you is just a bot.
 
Well, if some other intelligent species created the initial simulation, then we don't exist. We were born into that simulation. However, once we then created our own simulation inside that, then we can jack into it. Then from there we can get down into the next simulation, and they tell two friends, and they tell two friends, and so on, and so on.
 
As much as I dislike the fact that this simulation argument has taken focus away from the fact that I can apparently survive a trip through a wormhole ...

Bostrom's theory recognizes three distinct possibilities, and from there people tend to agree with one of those possibilities. Luke, I would assume, finds option 3 the most agreeable. And I get that. But what if that's wrong? What if it's number 1? What if we are all going ot die before we reach post-human? What if every society that ever existed anywhere never made it that far? Or what if reaching that, those society's just simply don't GAF about their ancestry?

... I rode my bike 400 mph ...
 
gtluke said:
in a simulation of a simulation of a simulation time a million.
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@pooriggy is the bot in the game that punches people when he feels stupid. But he needs to jack into the game with his flip phone so all he can do now is post images from 1997.
 
Norm said:
If you want it to matter, it matters - regardless if this is Simulation 0, Simulation Eleventy-Billion, or not a Simulation at all. If you refuse to play the simulation, you'll end up broke, homeless, and living on the streets of Newark begging for simulated D&D coffee every morning outside Newark Penn Station.
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I think if you 99.99999999999% believed that you were a simulation this type of lifestyle shouldn't really matter.
 
I think your time frame is way off.
i'd go with Ray Kurzweil's prediction of 30 years until VR that is indistinguishable from reality. Moore's law predicts sub cell size computers, and that a swarm
could take over your nerve synapses - and produce stimulation(input) that is interpreted as real -

Now - do you need to interact? or should your reality be your reality? It could go exactly how you want it to go.
you wouldn't need to actually meet others that area jacked-in.....

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this is totally different from digitizing your "self" - and then "you" would diverge from your physical body, which has its own
copy of your brain with limits of a linear life. Given this digitized brain - the concept of exploring all possible outcomes (another theory of multidimension) and picking the best
one by trial and error (or walk them all) - like a chess computer.

Here are some concepts from the last couple hundred years that attempt to explain 'self' . http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/identity-personal/

or

2d bugs say what?

 
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fidodie said:
I think your time frame is way off.
i'd go with Ray Kurzweil's prediction of 30 years until VR that is indistinguishable from reality. Moore's law predicts sub cell size computers, and that a swarm
could take over your nerve synapses - and produce stimulation(input) that is interpreted as real -

Now - do you need to interact? or should your reality be your reality? It could go exactly how you want it to go.
you wouldn't need to actually meet others that area
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Eh I don't buy it. The physics and chemistry that dictates our reality is far too complex. How much computing power is required right now to make a 2 hr fully computerized movie that is still instantly recognized as fake? And this is just a 2D, 2 sense depiction of a tiny slice of "reality". Then imagine trying to perfectly simulate everything down to the atomic level... Not gonna happen
 
Rick is the least fun person on the Internet. EVERY DAY WHOA IS ME EEYORE
You don't need to replicate the universe. You just have to establish rules and simulate only the parts the player is currently interacting with.
I kknow you don't know shit about computers but 30 years is absolutely doable.
And if not? 60, 120, 1,000 years. Doesn't matter. It's going to happen.
 
If we could replicate the known universe on a computer, which will one day be possible, we could replicate it in real time, feeding in the changes in real time. After the computer performs a learning process from the data it could with some level of accuracy predict what will happen 10 seconds in the future. Using it's mistakes to correct the algorithm. Once the algorithm is perfected, we could dump in all the known past, like 100 years of geotagged photos and videos and it could concatenate? The gaps in data and start filling in the past with some decent accuracy. The we could go back 15,000 years and see how they actually built the fucking pyramid. I can't wait. I won't make it that long though.
I think kurtweil believes in downloading your brain to a computer, so maybe i can survive. If that copy is actually me anyway. There can't be 2 me's so who's the copy on the computer?
 
gtluke said:
If we could replicate the known universe on a computer, which will one day be possible, we could replicate it in real time, feeding in the changes in real time. After the computer performs a learning process from the data it could with some level of accuracy predict what will happen 10 seconds in the future. Using it's mistakes to correct the algorithm. Once the algorithm is perfected, we could dump in all the known past, like 100 years of geotagged photos and videos and it could concatenate? The gaps in data and start filling in the past with some decent accuracy. The we could go back 15,000 years and see how they actually built the fucking pyramid. I can't wait. I won't make it that long though.
I think kurtweil believes in downloading your brain to a computer, so maybe i can survive. If that copy is actually me anyway. There can't be 2 me's so who's the copy on the computer?
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I would think there would be a ceremony where you shed your body. (hmm, sound familiar?)

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You see @rick81721, you are thinking in linear time, and not geometric. if i was to render something just 2 years ago, it would take twice the time as today. not just cpu, but the ability to store and access the amount of data.

then there is the programming - this isn't hard, cause you just record it when it happens, and it can be reproduced elsewhere.

I'm in the middle of How to create a Mind, but it is slow. i'd recommend The Singularity is Near

Or watch a really cool movie



which after Point Break is Keanu's best movie......(hahah 80Gigs)
 
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