if only we could have war where civilians were never harmed or killed.
Tariffs...what to make of them.
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if only we could have war where civilians were never harmed or killed.
I think the parallel to Israel/Gaza is if the US just kept the Japanese in the internment camps and never let them out. And then two generations later wondered why they were using terrorism against us. And then other countries blaming Japan for not taking back those Japanese. Hard to blame the populace when you realize they were kicked off their land, pushed into a small space fully controlled by their occupier for the next 80 years. Terrorism is how Israel got the land so it's not far fetched for Hamas to use it as a tool.
Maybe we didn't level Mosul, but Iraq had hundreds of thousands of casualties from the war over there we sold on false premises.
How about we just stop assuming the US is the good guy all the time? Everyone wants to make WWII comparisons to what's going on over in Ukraine. The US fucking firebombed civilian cities on a daily basis.
How about we make WWI comparisons where instead of appeasement we just ratcheted up the alliances until we ended up in a huge world war?
And to go back to the original post for this whole thread, Tariffs...
I've gotten pricing changes from pretty much every supplier I have. Increases ranging from 1.5% to 25%. I buy a lot of electronics, instrumentation and control panels. 25% price increase on the US made steel enclosures. 25% increase on network switches.
I've gotten pricing changes from pretty much every supplier I have. Increases ranging from 1.5% to 25%. I buy a lot of electronics, instrumentation and control panels. 25% price increase on the US made steel enclosures. 25% increase on network switches.
Doom
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I'd say their rights to due process and a speedy trial were trampled.
thegock
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So, do you think they deserved to be pardoned?
How so?
Doom
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I might not like what they may or may not have done but yes I do. The government had long enough to try them. Holding them indefinitely was wrong.
thegock
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However, there was nothing "indefinite," they were either sentenced for AFO or awaiting trial.
Doom
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I told you how I felt about it. Do what you want with it.
I don't know about those specific 174, but the low-hanging issues:
-Evidence was withheld, specifically camera footage. Remember QAnon Shaman? Let out of prison once the footage came out he was being escorted by capital police around the building. There were also a lot of shenanigans of holding back discovery due to Covid.
-Justice department tried to break people to a plea deal by high bonds along with solitary confinement and similar. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/19/capitol-riot-defendants-warren-483125 Links in that article for examples such as being only let out of cells for 5 hours a week and only in shackles.
-Many of the cases were based on the obstruction of an official proceeding per Sarbanes-Oxley, something intended for fraud post-Enron and this went up to the Supreme Court who found it to be faulty prosecution.
-Money raised for legal fees (go-fund me etc) were attacked by the government. Both trying to claw back that money stating it was ill-gotten gains when having public defenders or raising the fines to eat up the donations.
If they didn't try to throw the book at the everyone outside of those 174, those 174 probably wouldn't have gotten pardoned. Apparently that was a last minute Trump "Fuck it, pardon them all" thing according to the press. They went hard against the violent offenders just as hard as the morons just walking around the capital.
Dave Taylor
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https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-january-6-jacob-chansley-tucker-carlson-193191103193 For the record, the writers were not escorted through the capital building despite popular belief.
John the Plumber
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What if they broke into your home and defecated on your floors and walls should the person be tried? That all I am saying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dave Taylor
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At least we now have a Qanon conspiracy theorist as the director of the FBI
Johnny Utah
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He will just keep asking the same question over and over again. I am starting to think he is some sort of android and needs a reset.
Captain Brainstorm
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A ton of outrage? I don't see a 43 page thread devoted to that outrage anywhere. I bet if it was under tRumps watch though, this thread would be 300 pages. And people should be outraged over Gaza, even though the situation is way more nuanced than this black and white narrative. But what about the ongoing genocide against the Uyghurs or the ethnic cleansing in Nagorno-Karabakh (those Armenians have been fucked since 1914), where's the protest and outrage? My point is we pick and choose, or its chosen for us, what to be outraged about because it fits a particular narrative.
I'm no Zionist, but Jews didn't get the land through terrorism, you need to keep in mind their point of view, they've been there for the last 4000 years. Comes back to nuance and looking at other perspectives.
And stop using WWII as an example, BOTH sides bombed civilian cities. The Nazis firebombed London for 8 months while they were trying to break them.
Dave Taylor
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Even if he was the early influencer he's got some pretty good points.
On top of making some wildly unfounded claims
Dave Taylor
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I thought he supported his points. He wasn't swaying from his view. Pierce just seemed like he was trying to overwhelm him.