Tariffs...what to make of them.

[Johnny Utah]

Housing is lacking across the country in the $500k and under segment. Like you noted, people coming over the boarder illegally are not the primary competition for $600k houses, but they are competing for houses below that as well as other programs such as Section 8 and other subsidized housing. After all - where are these people living, they are not all in camps and the schools seemed to have taken back their gyms?

Migrants I was familiar with lived in shacks and barns on the farms they work, in hotels, stacked 10+ in 1 Brs, with family members already here, and the streets. No doubt they are pressuring urban low income housing, but that market is not tied to suburban housing requiring incomes of 200+. No one is going from not getting a section apt to looking at a 400k condo to buy. People who lose out on sec8 end up with a family member or on the streets. There are plenty of arguments for controlling immigration, but telling a 30year old newly wed couple this will fix their housing problem is a divisive lie that plays to their frustration.
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The suburban market, for example, Ocean And Monmouth counties have seen annual population growth of 10% (even in 2024). Over the last four years there has been an exodus of people leaving cities and urban markets. Rents in the city sky rocketed because of lack of supply. Where are all of these immigrants being placed/living? I think the number was almost 10 million encounters during the Biden administration - the country did not have a surplus of housing to accept those people, hence the inflation.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Technically, more people voted against trump than for him. So he didn't get a majority. But yes, he did get more votes than Kamala.

Oh okay, so Trump is the President?

 

[mtbiker87]

These are on the way (with the bill for $499).

I don’t care which party does it but I’ll be happier with a centrist candidate that freezes out the far-right and far-left. Both of whom are making normal people complicit in their wacked out agendas.

This...!!! 100% this !!!

 

[Johnny Utah]

I don’t know enough about them, but I know that being a felon is a bad thing. I wouldn’t in 1 million years when a felon for a president simple as that I think it just shows why we need education reform in this country.

Yourself like many can’t name what Trump was convicted of. You just know he is a felon. That was the point.

But like you said above, you don’t care that he is a felon or that Biden lied about pardoning his felon son, so why are you still talking about it?

 

[Bike N Gear]

Next week we are voting to abolish libraries - they are eating into the bottom line of our retirement accounts.

A few of us talk about you when we meet, we always say “it would be so much more fun if your were there”

Not sure what to say about that

 

[Dave Taylor]

Housing went up in value for two reasons. Covid briefly had everyone working from home indefinitely. So I pay rent in New York when you can go buy a house in New Jersey? Secondly, our wonderful system here in the US allows, the largest bond holding companies like black rock to purchase all of the lower priced housing to create our renters world. I hate to say it, but if housing prices come down it’s all coming down. Personally I have 80% of my annuity in a stable value fund since November. Maybe missed out on a pinch of gains, but I won’t lose a dime. And it still gets four through 6% annualized return. Just let it be known that at the current point in time retail stockholders are at the highest level in history, even higher than the.com bubble. I think Trump is just back because his New York real estate took a hit during Covid and he wants to pump it’s value back up.

 

[Dave Taylor]

Yourself like many can’t name what Trump was convicted of. You just know he is a felon. That was the point.

But like you said above, you don’t care that he is a felon or that Biden lied about pardoning his felon son, so why are you still talking about it?

You have a tough time, seeing the difference between a liar and a felon. A felony part just proves it. Trump is a fraud.

 

[thegock]

I’m about to run out of eggs, when will the price go down/harris teeter have more

 

[Dave Taylor]

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100% lol

 

[Dave Taylor]

He is also trying to dismantle the national weather service and defund advanced radar systems that can predict weather faster. Because obviously he’s auntie climate change. Sure, we get just as much snow as we got in the 80s and ocean temperatures aren’t several degrees warmer year-round but it’s not happening so DJ T.

 

[Johnny Utah]

You have a tough time, seeing the difference between a liar and a felon. A felony part just proves it. Trump is a fraud.

Dave, I am still waiting for you to guide me there.

But now we introduced Fraud too. Liar, felon, fraud. We have a good amount of ground to cover still. Not sure I can keep this up once I am feeling better from the flu - but I am all ears.

Still waiting for your to show me how is unlike every other politician. You seem to continue to deflect.

Is there some sort of written guide or course I can take that highlights the differences of a liar and a felon? Are there circumstances where you can be both? Help me here - I want to come to the bright side and get this guy impeached and imprisoned but I am having a tough time getting there.

 

[PRus]

We are up to 13 pages of mostly dealing with effect of the last election and Trump following through on his promises.
Not a word about some of the cause how we got here.
Also, plenty of MAGA bashing. I would argue that Trump was not elected by MAGA just as Biden wasn't by the far-left last time around. It's always the middle that tilts it to one side or another.
From reading here it seems that the majority think that the last four years where heaven on earth and nobody would have reason to vote for a change.
How about some blame on the other side for not giving a good enough reason to keep them in power and not consider a change.
Not agreeing with lots of Trumps doing now but that's where we are now.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Not sure what to say about that

Maybe we can take a step back and you can show us the figures on how every Trump supporter has a 401k, you did note that’s all they care about. Does that mean other popular Trump supporter issues like gun control and national security have gone by the wayside?

That seems to be a good thing to me - having a 401k and thinking of retirement.

Wait - does that mean @Dave Taylor is a Trump supporter too?

Help me see the light!!

 

[Bike N Gear]

No. I said the the friends I have think this way. I have no idea what the remainder of the base is thinking at all.

They seem to think he is a messiah and can do no wrong

 

[thegock]

the fact that they are illegals means they are obtaining a large portion of the benefits tax payers pay for without paying a fair share into the system.

I read a very good book last summer "The Truth About Immigration: Why Successful Societies Welcome Newcomers" by Zeke Hernandez, a professor at UPenn. It was quite readable and discusses many demographic measures of immigration.

He cited academic studies that indicated each illegal immigrant produces on average about $6,800 excess contribution to the Federal budget. This is mostly due to paying into SS and Medicare from which they can't benefit, so the older members of the community can retire in splendor. The average amount of state and local deficit for each illegal, which I prefer instead of "undocumented," is $1,700.

What is your source of information?

 

[Johnny Utah]

No. I said the the friends I have think this way. I have no idea what the remainder of the base is thinking at all.

They seem to think he is a messiah and can do no wrong

Oh okay - well good for you for still having friends you disagree with politically - it seems there are many that cannot do the same and I find that sad. Kudos to you.

I know a lot of Anti-Trumpers who think he is Satan and can only do wrong. Still waiting for them to tell me how to fix things and who could do that, they just keep telling me the election was rigged and Trump is a felon and should be in jail. If I ask the vast majority why he should be in jail the majority (65% -ish) note “the Stormy Daniel’s thing” - after that if I push further to what the Stormy Danials thing is a generally get a “I don’t know”.

 

[Dave Taylor]

Dave, I am still waiting for you to guide me there.

But now we introduced Fraud too. Liar, felon, fraud. We have a good amount of ground to cover still. Not sure I can keep this up once I am feeling better from the flu - but I am all ears.

Still waiting for your to show me how is unlike every other politician. You seem to continue to deflect.

Is there some sort of written guide or course I can take that highlights the differences of a liar and a felon? Are there circumstances where you can be both? Help me here - I want to come to the bright side and get this guy impeached and imprisoned but I am having a tough time getting there.

We are up to 13 pages of mostly dealing with effect of the last election and Trump following through on his promises.
Not a word about some of the cause how we got here.
Also, plenty of MAGA bashing. I would argue that Trump was not elected by MAGA just as Biden wasn't by the far-left last time around. It's always the middle that tilts it to one side or another.
From reading here it seems that the majority think that the last four years where heaven on earth and nobody would have reason to vote for a change.
How about some blame on the other side for not giving a good enough reason to keep them in power and not consider a change.
Not agreeing with lots of Trumps doing now but that's where we are now.

Maybe we can take a step back and you can show us the figures on how every Trump supporter has a 401k, you did note that’s all they care about. Does that mean other popular Trump supporter issues like gun control and national security have gone by the wayside?

That seems to be a good thing to me - having a 401k and thinking of retirement.

Wait - does that mean @Dave Taylor is a Trump supporter too?

Help me see the light!!

It worked…hook, line and sinker. And they even convinced you that a Nazi salute is a nice and warming thank you from the heart.

 

[Dave Taylor]

Oh okay - well good for you for still having friends you disagree with politically - it seems there are many that cannot do the same and I find that sad. Kudos to you.

I know a lot of Anti-Trumpers who think he is Satan and can only do wrong. Still waiting for them to tell me how to fix things and who could do that, they just keep telling me the election was rigged and Trump is a felon and should be in jail. If I ask the vast majority why he should be in jail the majority (65% -ish) note “the Stormy Daniel’s thing” - after that if I push further to what the Stormy Danials thing is a generally get a “I don’t know”.

Or leading an insurrection. I thought Trump was that one that was a proven liar about saying the previous election was rigged?

 

[Johnny Utah]

I read a very good book last summer "The Truth About Immigration: Why Successful Societies Welcome Newcomers" by Zeke Hernandez, a professor at UPenn. It was quite readable and discusses many demographic measures of immigration.

He cited academic studies that indicated each illegal immigrant produces on average about $6,800 excess contribution to the Federal budget. This is mostly due to paying into SS and Medicare from which they can't benefit, so the older members of the community can retire in splendor. The average amount of state and local deficit for each illegal, which I prefer instead of "undocumented," is $1,700.

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Let’s stick with your info and build on that - at which point does the amount of migrants stress the system so much that it cannot produce those figures?

Are you saying if we let another 20,000,000 “illegals” in each one will produce $6,800 - why that is $136,000,000,000. That would knock out almost ten percent of our deficit.

If your calculation was true both sides of the isle would be all about it.

Your figures most likely work at a certain number of immigrants but is not sustainable across the full curve. Eventually you outrun infrastructure and a large capital investment is needed.

The last four years brought a surge of people in that stressed our housing and energy grid. I could argue our food supply as well. While neither are the only or largest contributor to each - it did affect it.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Or leading an insurrection. I thought Trump was that one that was a proven liar about saying the previous election was rigged?

Dave, you continue to jump all over the place and answer nothing.

Classic DT.