Sobriety- Alcohol vs ice cream?

Studies investigating the impact of sugar consumption on human health have been ongoing since the mid-20th century. However, there is continued debate regarding the role sugar plays in physical, neurological, and cognitive health. Excessive sugar consumption has been implicated in obesity, metabolic disorders, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, cancer, depression, and cognitive impairmenthttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9966020/#:~:text=Excessive sugar consumption has been,8,9,10].
Actually sugar is more dangerous to your body than occasional alcohol drink.
yeah, when you compare "excessive sugar consumption" to an "occasional beer," of course sugar is worse!

but if you compare apples to apples in amounts consumed, which one is worse then?

i'm a big fan of beer and minimize my non-natural sugars intake to the hilt, so i'm not anti-beer, but you're not making a proper comparison in your claim sugar is worse...
 
Actually sugar is more dangerous to your body than occasional alcohol drink.
You need sugar to survive. Those 30 ATP that come from one molecule of glucose during oxidative phosphorylation is what keeps your legs pedaling, heart pumping, etc.
And even if those sugars are bad for the athlete, I'd argue someone living their life on a bike taking in those calories for performance is still living a better life than the one on the couch taking in those calories.

I ate a sleeve of oreos yesterday and like 5 fruit snack packets within a 3 hour window, am I going to get diabetes?
If you live a sedentary lifestyle, all that sugar just spikes insulin and eventually gets stored as fat. The worst of it happens when you eat sugar (or carbs) at night.
I think the key takeaway is excess. If you couldn't control yourself and ate a sleeve of Oreos every day, and then couldn't stop at just one sleeve, it would eventually catch up with you even as an athlete. Just like one drink at dinner is OK, but not 4, and not every night, and not if you can't stop.

For the OP - to answer the Q asked: no, swapping daily excessive alcohol with daily excessive sugar is not a good solution. So do what you need to do to keep you away from alcohol, but don't swap in ice-cream. My 2c
I don't think that there is a swap for alcohol, drugs, etc., it just leads you to rely on something else. If you're dependent on something and need to swap for anything, you're swapping for your freedom, that's the real trade, no?
 
I believe @Robson is talking about processed sugar. That is complete shit, no matter how much you exercise. Natural sugar is fine as long as you are using enough energy to burn off the calories. Processed sugar is what is messing up our physical, neurological, and cognitive health.

Alcohol contain minimal natural sugars and absolutely no processed sugar. Also, at no stage of being broken down, does it turn into sugar. Of course, it has other negative health effects so you can't say its better or worse than ice cream. They are both delicious! Oops, I mean bad for you. 😁
 
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I believe @Robson is talking about processed sugar. That is complete shit, no matter how much you exercise. Natural sugar is fine as long as you are using enough energy to burn off the calories. Processed sugar is what is messing up our physical, neurological, and cognitive health.

Alcohol contain minimal natural sugars and absolutely no processed sugar. Also, at no stage of being broken down, does it turn into sugar. Of course, it has other negative health effects so you can't say its better or worse than ice cream. They are both delicious! 😁
What's the difference between unprocessed sugar and processed sugar?
 
What's the difference between unprocessed sugar and processed sugar?
The short answer is that processed sugar is produced by humans and not naturally occurring in foods. Many studies have shown that it does not get broken down at the molecular level without messing up the body's homeostasis. Natural sugars do not disrupt our systems in the same way, thus they are "healthier."
 
From everything I’ve ever heard or read, When you are working out, there is no difference.
Completely not true. Take two identical athletes, fuel one with fruits and the other with m&ms - you will have a different performance outcome (*over time.)
Additionally, fruits are jam-packed with other healthy components ranging from antioxidants to vitamins, fiber, and nutrients delivered in combination with the sugar.
 
From everything I’ve ever heard or read, When you are working out, there is no difference.
Completely not true. Take two identical athletes, fuel one with fruits and the other with m&ms - you will have a different performance outcome (*over time.)
Additionally, fruits are jam-packed with other healthy components ranging from antioxidants to vitamins, fiber, and nutrients delivered in combination with the sugar.

What long term study are you referring to that had a control group eating fruits and the other M&Ms that controlled for calories that had athletes with higher performance on natural vs processed sugars?

What's the difference between the sugar in fruit and the sugar in an M&M besides what goes along with it like fat/cocoa vs fiber? And the fact it's way harder to eat a shit load of calories eating fruit than handfuls of M&Ms?
 
Completely not true. Take two identical athletes, fuel one with fruits and the other with m&ms - you will have a different performance outcome (*over time.)
Additionally, fruits are jam-packed with other healthy components ranging from antioxidants to vitamins, fiber, and nutrients delivered in combination with the sugar.
M&Ms is a ton of fat so, not a great example.

Look at what any professional endurance athlete uses. Cycling, running, swimming, whatever. They all use some version of the same thing.
They are all some combination of Glucose and Fructose. Basically table sugar.
 
What long term study are you referring to that had a control group eating fruits and the other M&Ms that controlled for calories that had athletes with higher performance on natural vs processed sugars?

What's the difference between the sugar in fruit and the sugar in an M&M besides what goes along with it like fat/cocoa vs fiber? And the fact it's way harder to eat a shit load of calories eating fruit than handfuls of M&Ms?
It’s an educated assessment, based on the hundreds of peer reviewed articles on the negative effects of processed sugar. Show me one high level athlete (over 30) who fuels him or herself solely with candy and I’ll show many who don’t (Except @Steve Vai, but he’s a an anomaly.) 😆

Remember, we’re originally talking about ice cream, not Gatorade.
 
It’s an educated assessment, based on the hundreds of peer reviewed articles on the negative effects of processed sugar. Show me one high level athlete (over 30) who fuels him or herself solely with candy and I’ll show many who don’t (Except @Steve Vai, but he’s a an anomaly.) 😆

Remember, we’re originally talking about ice cream, not Gatorade.
No serious athlete fuels themselves off of candy, that's a quick hit and then a fade. They've conditioned their bodies to rely primarily on glycogen (from carbs) or fat. If you're a long-distance athlete, conditioning your body to burn fat will fuel you for longer.
 
M&Ms is a ton of fat so, not a great example.

Look at what any professional endurance athlete uses. Cycling, running, swimming, whatever. They all use some version of the same thing.
They are all some combination of Glucose and Fructose. Basically table sugar.
Short term, yes. Ultimately it is not good for the body. I’m sure these athletes reduce and/or eliminate processed sugar when not competing. Maybe I’m wrong?

Regardless, this doesn’t seem to apply to the OP.
 
No serious athlete fuels themselves off of candy, that's a quick hit and then a fade. They've conditioned their bodies to rely primarily on glycogen (from carbs) or fat. If you're a long-distance athlete, conditioning your body to burn fat will fuel you for longer.
True. I’m talking about long term health. Everyone else is talking about getting more KOMs.
 
It’s an educated assessment, based on the hundreds of peer reviewed articles on the negative effects of processed sugar. Show me one high level athlete (over 30) who fuels him or herself solely with candy and I’ll show many who don’t (Except @Steve Vai, but he’s a an anomaly.) 😆

Remember, we’re originally talking about ice cream, not Gatorade.
Every elite cyclist and runner out there during a race is doing their best to push in as many carbs as possible. It's been such a huge deal lately where cyclists and runners are taking in over 100g of carbs an hour now.

Are you talking during racing or non-racing? Because yes, I doubt you'll find any elite athlete sitting around eating candy instead of real food at their meals. There's certainly health benefits of whole foods vs processed for things like fiber, polyphenols, minerals etc. But any elite is still consuming a ton of sugar and during training/racing it's very processed and basic.
 
True. I’m talking about long term health. Everyone else is talking about getting more KOMs.
Long term, you're correct. The thing with sugar is that is more of a volume thing than source thing. Excessive sugar is really what is making people obese, because carbs and sugar are in just about all processed foods. If you pound 4 Twix bars or a pint of ice cream and then continue sitting in front of the computer or on the couch for the next 3-4 hours, where do you think its going to go? Unless your daily routine involves 2 hours of rigorous exercise, you're glycogen reserves are already topped off and its going to be stored as fat.
 
True. I’m talking about long term health. Everyone else is talking about getting more KOMs.
Every elite cyclist and runner out there during a race is doing their best to push in as many carbs as possible. It's been such a huge deal lately where cyclists and runners are taking in over 100g of carbs an hour now.

Are you talking during racing or non-racing? Because yes, I doubt you'll find any elite athlete sitting around eating candy instead of real food at their meals. There's certainly health benefits of whole foods vs processed for things like fiber, polyphenols, minerals etc. But any elite is still consuming a ton of sugar and during training/racing it's very processed and basic.

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The ultra-endurance guys try to go keto leading up to their events so that they can fuel off of fat during. A gram of fat releases more joules of energy than a gram of sugar. Most marathon runners are just drinking, they have no time to eat when they're running a 5min. mile pace. I don't know what most pro cyclists are doing these days, I've had little interest in that in the post-Lance era.
 
The ultra-endurance guys try to go keto leading up to their events so that they can fuel off of fat during. A gram of fat releases more joules of energy than a gram of sugar. Most marathon runners are just drinking, they have no time to eat when they're running a 5min. mile pace. I don't know what most pro cyclists are doing these days, I've had little interest in that in the post-Lance era.
Ultra-Endurance isn't highly glycolytic. They're going below their aerobic threshold for the most part.

There's a reason why people have sugar in their bottles and not olive oil, it's easier to use the sugar to produce power and nobody can use just fat past their aerobic threshold.

Does any of this matter to anyone here? Nobody in this thread is going to be OK sitting on the couch just drinking or eating ice cream. None of us are doing the spring classics next year or running a 2:15 marathon.
 
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