New XTR 9200 announced...
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Steve Vai
Endurance Guy: Tolerates most of us.
XTR is now 2019 GX.
Sven Migot
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ShimaNO
Shimano chose not to use the UDH which I find to be a point of pride (or $) vs a logic. SRAM made the entire industry redesign frames for UDH. I assume that shimano didn't embrace this because of the patents at play.
It shifts fast. It was easy to adapt to and the ergonomics seem quite good. It does seem a hair more polished than XX from sram but maybe more fragile.
- We would have been very impressed with this system in 2018 and I am not sure if UDH would have come about if shimano hadn't been so slow to bring this to market. I do think people will really like it.
We will of course sell it. @Skip43 who works in our shop has a complete kit on his switchblade and he seems to be enjoying it.
The new wheels rode really well. Unfortunately they won't made a XD cass body, so they have shut out 95% of the people who might ride the wheels. Also no superboost.
The brakes however are really impressive and a big jump forward for shimano. This would also make a bigger splash if Maven/Motive hadn't come out before the new XTR brakes.
I wonder if this will push SRAM to update transmission to speed up the shifts.
I also think the UDH was a good thing. Finding the hanger that fit was such a pain in the ass. Bike companies changed their design every year it seemed.
I also think the UDH was a good thing. Finding the hanger that fit was such a pain in the ass. Bike companies changed their design every year it seemed.
Hopefully someone will. The new wheels seem legit
I thought SRAM left the patents for XD and UDH wide open for others to adopt?
Of course Shimano just HAD to create "Microspline"...I guess at least with deraileur hangers most manufacturers have adopted UDH so the act of hanging a still old-school brand-new XTR Shimano will be on a "universal" UDH adapter?
asm
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Shimano has a patent for a direct mount derailleur, so I'm guessing that's going to come in the not so distant future. It will likely not be compatible with current 12 speed. Basically the same path as SRAM but years later.
I think the various patents in this space screwed them up. They basically admitted as much in a podcast with Escape Collective.
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I think the various patents in this space screwed them up. They basically admitted as much in a podcast with Escape Collective.
Geek Warning | Special ep: Shimano’s MTB Product Manager on the new XTR Di2
Seven years have passed since we last saw an updated version of Shimano’s flagship mountain bike group. Assuming you weren’t holding your breath, and as a result are still with us, then today is the day of the update.Yes, new XTR Di2 M9200 is here. It represents Shimano’s delayed entry into true...
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I was just about to listen to this.Shimano has a patent for a direct mount derailleur, so I'm guessing that's going to come in the not so distant future. It will likely not be compatible with current 12 speed. Basically the same path as SRAM but years later.
I think the various patents in this space screwed them up. They basically admitted as much in a podcast with Escape Collective.
Geek Warning | Special ep: Shimano’s MTB Product Manager on the new XTR Di2
Seven years have passed since we last saw an updated version of Shimano’s flagship mountain bike group. Assuming you weren’t holding your breath, and as a result are still with us, then today is the day of the update.Yes, new XTR Di2 M9200 is here. It represents Shimano’s delayed entry into true...
The patents are all in the actual derailleur. The UDH was a trojan horse.
I'm really happy when new fancy innovation is more expensive but also gives me basically no reason to upgrade.
XT Shimano 12-speed mechanical has worked pretty flawlessly for me. Never had to adjust the shifter after install. Components are cheap and very light. This would save me a cable, increased weight and cost and a battery to charge. I can barely remember to check my tire pressure before leaving the house.
I wonder if Shimano would do better releasing this new wireless in SLX/XT/XTR at the same time. XTR pricing just makes me ignore it entirely and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Then again I don't feel any need to upgrade bike components anymore unless it increases comfort or suspension performance. With Shimano it's very diminishing returns going from Deore to a higher level.
XT Shimano 12-speed mechanical has worked pretty flawlessly for me. Never had to adjust the shifter after install. Components are cheap and very light. This would save me a cable, increased weight and cost and a battery to charge. I can barely remember to check my tire pressure before leaving the house.
I wonder if Shimano would do better releasing this new wireless in SLX/XT/XTR at the same time. XTR pricing just makes me ignore it entirely and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Then again I don't feel any need to upgrade bike components anymore unless it increases comfort or suspension performance. With Shimano it's very diminishing returns going from Deore to a higher level.
Red Mosquito
Formerly RLB the Scrapple Boy
Think of all the money you’ll save by never replacing a shifter cable again.
Its shimano so ofoucrse it will be smoother shifting than sram.
Considering my gx transmission rear mech just STB (bought in november) and i need to do a warranty claim, cant say i am super happy about sram ATM.
ill put the old axs on and move on.
UDH has the standard hanger, so i see that a moot point as you still have a standard hanger, its just you wont have direct mount.
Considering my gx transmission rear mech just STB (bought in november) and i need to do a warranty claim, cant say i am super happy about sram ATM.
ill put the old axs on and move on.
UDH has the standard hanger, so i see that a moot point as you still have a standard hanger, its just you wont have direct mount.
I think all the new XTR is compatible with your current setup. You could just buy a shifter and derailleur and be good to go. That’s a nice option to have and a luxury that SRAM didn’t give to the consumers with T-Type.
You just needed the shifter and derailleur to upgrade to regular AXS...isn't that what it should be compared to?
Transmission is a completely different animal.
They sell an upgrade kit.
But in reality if my $80 XT rear derailleur broke on a rock I'd look at the price of the wireless derailleur and just buy another mechanical derailleur. I'm not saying the wireless isn't nice, just for me there's no way it provides enough benefit. And I'll get super angry the first time I forget to charge the battery.
I think it's basically the same thing with SRAM now. If you have a hanger style 12 speed SRAM setup you can buy an upgrade kit. If you're rocking the new mechanical transmission they now have a wireless upgrade kit.
Unless you guys are referring to the fact that they changed a few things like the cassette spacing on Transmission requiring basically swapping the whole drivetrain now.
Steve Vai
Endurance Guy: Tolerates most of us.
I've recently been riding Dura-Ace vs Red to help one of these 2 companies rectify that. Having a front derailleur that actually works is cool.
For you. I’m just giving my perspective. If I had XT 12 speed, I would definitely look at that as an option. My point was that it is an actual option. And that’s a positive.
That’s true, but if you were invested in Eagle AXS on multiple bikes and’s enjoyed the ability to swap wheels between them (I know, this is a very specific example …..me - 😂) and then all of a sudden the new-new group set comes out and it’s an all or nothing upgrade (derailleur, cassette, chain). that kinda sucks. Especially when We’re talking $500 cassettes and $700 derailleur.