That shouldn't be a problem considering he is estimated at 100 m net worth. I am more interested to see what deal he cut with USADA for competition ban and the federal investigation .
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That shouldn't be a problem considering he is estimated at 100 m net worth. I am more interested to see what deal he cut with USADA for competition ban and the federal investigation .
PatrickBrown
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if he spills enough beans, it'll be a backdated ban, and he gets to keep 5 of his TDF wins. haha.
seriously, I'll be curious to see what he gets anyway. I feel that as bad as Tygart wanted Armstrong, he wants much more still.
SmooveP
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Doper, cheater, bully, and now rat fink:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/15/s...e-will-testify-against-cycling-officials.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/15/s...e-will-testify-against-cycling-officials.html
I got sick of reading the article about halfway through it. The media is fun.
I was never a huge Lance fan, but the guy is and was amazing on the bike, drugs or not. It is my belief that he used PEDs like every other pro cyclist. Anyone I've talked to who has been in or around the scene knows it to be true. So it may not be right, but it is what it is. And the TdF can be a hell of an entertaining event for those of us who watch. It's just like football. Enjoy it, but be realistic.
Anyway, Lance got caught, and now he has to play ball. I'm guessing he really has little choice in the matter. At the end of the day, he has made a lot of money because he's an entertainer. Professional sports is entertainment. Just let the guy live his life. The Livestrong foundation has done a ton of good for a ton of people. Does any of this do any good for anyone?
I'm not against professional sports being clean. I just think it's unrealistic. Want it clean? Remove the millions of dollars these guys make a year. When was the last time a banker got busted for PEDs and had to give back his Employee of the Month award?
I was never a huge Lance fan, but the guy is and was amazing on the bike, drugs or not. It is my belief that he used PEDs like every other pro cyclist. Anyone I've talked to who has been in or around the scene knows it to be true. So it may not be right, but it is what it is. And the TdF can be a hell of an entertaining event for those of us who watch. It's just like football. Enjoy it, but be realistic.
Anyway, Lance got caught, and now he has to play ball. I'm guessing he really has little choice in the matter. At the end of the day, he has made a lot of money because he's an entertainer. Professional sports is entertainment. Just let the guy live his life. The Livestrong foundation has done a ton of good for a ton of people. Does any of this do any good for anyone?
I'm not against professional sports being clean. I just think it's unrealistic. Want it clean? Remove the millions of dollars these guys make a year. When was the last time a banker got busted for PEDs and had to give back his Employee of the Month award?
I think blowing the whole thing apart with Armstrong's support might actually make an impact. So far it's been "rider so-and-so has been caught doping" and while those riders have said everyone dopes, it's the word of a busted cheater against...everyone else. If Lance throws his name in there and details the program, he (ironically) has enough credibility to make it stick. While it's obviously a selfish action by Armstrong, in the end it might do some good for the sport.
SmooveP
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An entertainer? Kinda like pro wrestling, then?
Bankers and insider traders go to jail for making money under false pretenses. Lance made $100 million. Let him live his life? He's the one who crawled out of his hole to go on Oprah. He deserves to get swatted every time he pokes his cheese-eating snout into the daylight.
THATmanMANNY
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Future Golden Globe Nominee - Lance Armstrong
THATmanMANNY
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on a serious note, are EPDs actually illegal?
Monkey Soup
Angry Wanker
Professional sports, and cycling will never be clean. Everyone needs to get over this. The science of doping is far more advanced than what you're reading. The science these guys used to cheat is already outdated. Take a molecular genetics or biochemistry course and you'll get an idea of what is possible (and already being done). If I were entering the ranks of pro sports, given the money at stake and the short career time you have to set up the rest of you and your families life, I think the question is why wouldn't I take drugs?
And Greg Lemond is a petty, egomanical, self-absorbed asshole. Just sayin...
And Greg Lemond is a petty, egomanical, self-absorbed asshole. Just sayin...
THATmanMANNY
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If you're making a few million per contract and you're concerned about not being able to set up your family. Then you have other issues. No disrespect.
to think that lance said - i'm not admitting anything - without talking (and listening to) to a team of lawyers would be naive. any individual test or testimony could be rebuked - it was the corroborating stories, and circumstantial evidence in-toto that could not be denied.
think he got paid to do it on/for oprah?
how are they going to prove damage to the post office? or any other sponsor? oooo broke a small print term of a contract oooooo....
think he got paid to do it on/for oprah?
how are they going to prove damage to the post office? or any other sponsor? oooo broke a small print term of a contract oooooo....
Monkey Soup
Angry Wanker
To get to the point where you have a million dollar contract, you need to demonstrate some value. You do the sauce to get to that point.
Based on what I see when I go to the gym, the amount of juice the stupid high-school kids are doing (they freely discuss it, these kids are already taking HGH!), most athletes are probably already well-versed in steroid use by the time you get to the pros. Hey, some of the guys you line up against in your local CAT2-3 race or MTB race are doing it.
SmooveP
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Congratulations - you managed to mix drugs, cheating and family values into one neat package.
To answer your question directly, because:
a) it makes you a cheater
b) you then become a liar
c) it's illegal
d) it's (probably) bad for for your health
e) people on the Internet will call you a douchebag when you get caught
Monkey Soup
Angry Wanker
As a counterpoint, bearing in mind the moral ambiguity of the world we live in (not saying its right, just the reality) :
a) Makes you a cheater - Is there cheating in the world of entertainment?
b) Being a liar - All people lie. Peers all do it. Who are you lying too?
c) Illegal - Your peers all do it, take the same thing. Applies to above also.
d) Not necessarily that bad for you if done scientifically.
e) People can call you what they want as you laugh to the bank.
well, this won't be popular, but i agree with monkey 100%. you get five, maybe ten years to earn enough for your ENTIRE life. gimme bags of pills, the clear whatever. hell, i hear (via the onion) that peterson is getting ready to blow his ACL again in preparation for the 2013 season!
if anyone is naive enough to think that a high percentage of professional athletes are "clean", then you haven't been paying attention. do you think that humans are just naturally growing bigger, faster and stronger? ok, fine, you do. but in a span of 50 years? that's some freaking evolution man. look at the olympic sprinters for christ's sake. or lineman in the NFL. choose your sport. people aren't getting that much bigger, but professional athletes? pffffft. hell yeah.
and if you need to compete then you'll do it. i'd guess 99% of you would and there's not a single one of you that can say definitively you wouldn't b/c none of us are in that position.
the lance thing goes WAY deeper than we'll ever know. and b/c he wants to (and needs to) make a living, we will NEVER know.
SmooveP
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Not naive about those other sports. Don't like them, either.
I'd rather go ride my bike (poorly) with a few buds than watch a bunch of overpaid prima donnas entertaining a stadium full of fat f**ks with their faces painted in "their" team's colors.
And the argument that everyone is doing it? Then it's not about the sport, is it? It's about being the best cheater in cheaterville.
pxs231
Active Member
For me it boils down to whether or not your accept deceits and corruption as an acceptable tool to make a living.
I have lived where corruption is rampant and when it is becomes widespread enough it becomes very very hard to stamp it out and becomes a way of life...
I understand that no one is pure evil or good, there's a continuum and we all fall somewhere along it. Lets at least keep the standards high and call it what it is. When human's realize that they were wrong about something they have an automatic tendency to try to justify their thought process, instead of just accepting that they were wrong.
Please do not try to justify and make excuses for cheaters, at that point you are nothing more than an enabler...
I have lived where corruption is rampant and when it is becomes widespread enough it becomes very very hard to stamp it out and becomes a way of life...
I understand that no one is pure evil or good, there's a continuum and we all fall somewhere along it. Lets at least keep the standards high and call it what it is. When human's realize that they were wrong about something they have an automatic tendency to try to justify their thought process, instead of just accepting that they were wrong.
Please do not try to justify and make excuses for cheaters, at that point you are nothing more than an enabler...
so there has to be a massive, pre-negotiated deal here. all the people his camp sued for liable or slander will need to be compensated. he perjured himself in at least one deposition. Various sponsors that may attempt to recoup $$.
no doubt he will apologize to each separately - so each gets a headline....
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should just move to cabo and hang with sammy hagar.
did anyone think he was clean?
anyone speculate that it cause his cancer? (this may be taboo, apologies if it offends)
no doubt he will apologize to each separately - so each gets a headline....
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should just move to cabo and hang with sammy hagar.
did anyone think he was clean?
anyone speculate that it cause his cancer? (this may be taboo, apologies if it offends)