KVSP Race Course

Im thinking of geting some race tires. How do you think race kings would do here. And at almost everyother h2h race?
 
Course map 2009

http://www.teambulldog.com/Rump_Map_2009_for_web.pdf

I rode it tonight after running into a couple of the bulldog guys. Its 90% last years course run in reverse. One new (to the race, not the park) section of single track that is about 1/4 mile long. One short section is last years course run the same direction. There were two very short climbs, that going this direction, I could not make it up. One I did make once (bottom side), but im sure when im tired during the race, I wont make it. But they will require only about 5 steps jogging to get to the top. One was in the upper section that last year was the short loop into the woods. It was a short steep rocky climb that im pretty sure most people dismounted for. If that is in the course this year and we run it backwards, im pretty sure at least 10 people are going over there bars on the way down it. Running the course with my buddy and not pushing, I did it in 39min.
 
How long was it? Why do you live in the stone age without a GPS?

Edit - looking at the course it looks about the same but the dead center of it is different, longer. I know the sections you're talking about that jumps into the woods. Yes everyone dismounted that as it's a very tough rooty climb.

Cool, a different course. I like!
 
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I also see where you're talking about it being the same as last year for a bit, right in that middle section. So goes around the grass, into the woods, then dives hard left. Take that to meet the "same direction" section, and take that to the road. Cross the road straight (instead of going up the road to the left) and do that whole south section in reverse. When you get back to the road, verr right and head around to the lake - I'm not familiar with that at all.

Also winds around the field for a longer length it seems near Goodale road.
 
Norm said:
How long was it? Why do you live in the stone age without a GPS?

Edit - looking at the course it looks about the same but the dead center of it is different, longer. I know the sections you're talking about that jumps into the woods. Yes everyone dismounted that as it's a very tough rooty climb.

Cool, a different course. I like!
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I have a gps, but its a 205, so it might as well be the stone age. I did map one lap. But I figured since I found the actual race map, people would rather see that. Anyway, here is my loop. 45min many because I rode the grass section very slow as a cool down. I think under 35 min easily at a "Norm" pace.

http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/episode/view.do?episodePk.pkValue=8594864

Now that I look at the race map again, it looks like last years dismount spot is skipped. I made it down the roots backwards twice, but if that little section is in, the medics better set up camp there.
 
Norm said:
I also see where you're talking about it being the same as last year for a bit, right in that middle section. So goes around the grass, into the woods, then dives hard left. Take that to meet the "same direction" section, and take that to the road. Cross the road straight (instead of going up the road to the left) and do that whole south section in reverse. When you get back to the road, verr right and head around to the lake - I'm not familiar with that at all. .
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EXACTLY right.

After you head around to the lake, you cut back in (on gravel road) and re-connect with what was the first section of single track of the course last year. Then take that back out to the field, across the road, back into the field to last years starting line.

Norm said:
Also winds around the field for a longer length it seems near Goodale road.
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Ya you skip the very last section of single track that was on last years course. it was a rocky decent right before the field. You now go around that, up the road and hang a left on to that single track. Then take that down the climb from last year. and go left, where last year we came from stright ahead.

I would say the course is slightly more techy this year. There are now a couple of climbs that were probably easier going down. On the upper side, the long climb out of the parking lot, through the finish line, and up to the top is now super fast going backwards. But climbing it in the other direction is shorter, but steeper. IMO. Seems to me that is the main result of changing the direction, climbs are now shorter, but steeper.
 
What is the whole nonsense about not being able to race on the other side of the road? The highschool races are on the other side of the road. I have raced on both sides, am I missing something?
 
Awesome man, that's perfect. I was using a 205 until last week or so. If I can't figure out how to upload to the 705 tomorrow I may just have to bust it out again.

Thanks for the course link and description!
 
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What is the whole nonsense about not being able to race on the other side of the road? The highschool races are on the other side of the road. I have raced on both sides, am I missing something?
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I think it has to do with crossing a public road, not the actual race itself.

Utah- were you wearing the Marty's kit? I think I was talking to you, wearing a Black Bear kit on the Rig
 
Panhead said:
I think it has to do with crossing a public road, not the actual race itself.

Utah- were you wearing the Marty's kit? I think I was talking to you, wearing a Black Bear kit on the Rig
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hey man, yup that was me. Glad I can now put a face with the name
 
Utah Joe said:
hey man, yup that was me. Glad I can now put a face with the name
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He's easy to recognize. He's the SS guy on the side of the trail with a mechanical on the first lap of every other H2H race 😛
 
Joe - it looks like your didn't get the course completely. If you look at the PDF, the upper left part of the course outline, near the parking lot, goes almost completely back to Goodale road. You loop almost (or does) touches itself where that little mushroom cloud comes in on the right. The race map does have that.

Bikereg says 15 miles. Seems like the course is 6.5 miles or so, either way. So they must be doing a 2-ish mile prologue of sorts. Maybe start in the same spot but going the other way?
 
Norm said:
Joe - it looks like your didn't get the course completely. If you look at the PDF, the upper left part of the course outline, near the parking lot, goes almost completely back to Goodale road. You loop almost (or does) touches itself where that little mushroom cloud comes in on the right. The race map does have that.

Bikereg says 15 miles. Seems like the course is 6.5 miles or so, either way. So they must be doing a 2-ish mile prologue of sorts. Maybe start in the same spot but going the other way?
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I think your right. I did not have the map last night. When I ran into the bulldog guys, they told me how the course was run (backwards). So I did not have the map to follow. I ran it exactly backwards as I know last years course really well. Now looking at it, I think I know where they changed it. There is a fork in the trail on the decent (last years climb on the upper side). I went left following last years course. I think this year we are staying stright. It makes since as that left fork kinda breaks the flow of the trail.

Also, the section on my loop that looks like a mushroom. That was right after (running backwards) the grassy starting area from last year. I made a right turn and followed last years course. Looks like they are routing us stright, then parallel to the paved road, then up one of the climbs (possibly the finish line climb from last year)

Sorry for the screw ups, but I didnt have the map so I just ran it exactly backwards from last year.

I ran this race in beginner last year, we did 1.5 laps. The flier for this year says cat 2 = 3 laps. Cat 3 = 2 laps. Lap = 5.5miles approx.
 
Norm said:
He's easy to recognize. He's the SS guy on the side of the trail with a mechanical on the first lap of every other H2H race 😛
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Easy there, Norm. I only dropped my chain like 6 times last night, of course on climbs so my knee is a bit tender today. 😱 One day I might have some time to actually look at whats up with it.
 
Utah Joe said:
Sorry for the screw ups, but I didnt have the map so I just ran it exactly backwards from last year.
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You do the best you can. I'll probably follow your course from yesterday but try to follow the start/finish area as it looked on the map. I think that's easy - you're basically going along the road towards the end of the lap. Stay along the road instead of taking the left into the woods. Then drop down to the path around the parking lot off Goodale. I'll post up my GPS link when I'm done.

I think that little hike-a-bike nub is in the course. Looking at the map it seems to go up and in there. I agree with you though, that's OTB city.
 
Everyone keeps saying this is faster than Lewis Morris and flatter. I looked at that GPS track and it said 1900 ft of gain for 1 lap. That doesn't sound too flat. Any idea if that is just off?

-matt
 
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