Guess I got into the weeds there. What I was trying to say is when you are older, intervals leave you wrecked for days. With a meat powered mtb on a 2-3 hour ride in Ringwood I end up being totally useless for 2-3 days. With the Kenevo I can put in hours in Ringwood and be able to ride the next day. Its all about bike time.
It's 2025 Is an Emtb in your near future?
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Maybe SL stands for Super Lame. I'd be curious what type of mileage you could get out of a full power bike.
Steve Vai
Endurance Guy: Tolerates most of us.
IDK, we have a pile of full power Levos here so maybe I'll swap this one out and see. I just really don't like the Enduro-Bro Geometry any of them use so I'll get range but will hate riding it so it's kinda moot.
Ian F
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In my limited experience with my 2021 Levo SL, the battery is significantly smaller. So I can easily see how a moderate 18 mile ride could deplete more than 50% of the battery. The rides I've done with bikes with larger batteries and using mostly Eco with occasional higher assist modes have used considerably less percentage of the battery. For example, the rides I did on the Moterra SL (600WH battery) were between 10 and 15 miles and all ended with 80% of the battery left.
Battery technology has jumped in leaps since 2021. Not just size but how firmware utilize the source. Can't wait to see where this goes in 10 years from now.
tonyride
Don't piss off the red guy
I think 10 years is too far out. With EV battery technology trickling down to ebikes and motors getting more efficient we'll see some pretty significant improvements in just 5 years or less.
Steve Vai
Endurance Guy: Tolerates most of us.
I stole the big bike. It rides like a dump truck but I used 2 bars worth of battery and took the KOM on Washington Rock. Gonna drop the bars all the way and put the other headset cup in and see if I can get it to turn. I’ll do the loop through the res tomorrow morning and see what happens.
I guess it's a price point thing but all these eebs come with shit tier suspension.
The future is here, now. I've been watching a bunch of quick reviews on this bike and they are all amazed.
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Steve Vai
Endurance Guy: Tolerates most of us.
The HT angle is so slack none of the forks work anyway
Captain Brainstorm
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It comes with a walk assist mode? In case you’re too weak to push your bike?The future is here, now. I've been watching a bunch of quick reviews on this bike and they are all amazed.
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If dismounted on uphill tech, getting 50lbs to roll is a challenge.
I used it going up the back side of wingdam where it cuts over to laurel pond. Also at the top of the impossible climb at rv
Ian F
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I guess it depends on what you're used to riding. I've spent a fair amount of time on DH bikes and then enduro bikes over the past 25 years so modern trail bike geometry feels fairly normal to me, other than I'm not a big fan of the trend towards super-short stems. I seem to like them at about 50mm give or take (my Heckler came with a 48mm).
Regarding suspension, after now working on tuning three different brands (Fox, RS and Cane Creek), I really think these brands need to get more realistic about their tuning recommendations. All of the recommended settings seem geared towards professional racers riding at mach-chicken with the skills to match. Slow and somewhat pudgy weekend warriors need less aggressive settings.
I have used it. Up the backside of RV, 40 pound TM pack with chainsaw on my back. To give perspective, something like 4 people we know have ever cleaned that climb. I have done it with the eBike with the pack on. But it's steep, and you come dangerously close to flipping backwards some days. Walking up with the pack & bike is a chore. So the little walk assist is good there. It is not needed elsewhere.
If we are catering to people who can barely get on the bike, or people who have aged out, that walk assist thing is reasonable.
tonyride
Don't piss off the red guy
Walk mode helps more than you think and it's not about being weak. I've been on rides where everyone in my group was riding ebikes. I've had to use it on sections where the uphill is just too steep with switchbacks and roots and rocks while trying to maintain grip while walking up all that and that feature is gold while others who either don't know how to get their bikes in walk mode or doesn't have it struggles pushing their bikes up and slipping on the loose rock. You don't know how tough it is to do that until you've had to do it.
Steve Vai
Endurance Guy: Tolerates most of us.
I run the rear about 10psi over the suggested and the fork at 1/2. Coming from an XC and Trials background so every one of these bikes feels super sketchy, which seems the wrong way around because usually a slack bike with a big fork is less sketchy. It’s like the fork is locked out though because I have no weight over the front wheel at all and I’m used to a more aggressive position that none of the current e bikes offer. If these were my bikes I’d throw a 70mm stem and flat bar on the S3 because I like the length of the 4 but the head tube is too tall.
Pedal Boy Problems.
It's nothing new. Every e-bike we've sold for the past 10 years has had a walk assist mode.
Steve Vai
Endurance Guy: Tolerates most of us.
I used the Walk Mode to get over trees yesterday.