Cars, it's electric! Do Do Do

Santapez said:
I haven't run the #s, but considering how absolutely horrible a regular Jeep is on gas, it may be worth it?

Although my feeling is gas or electric, Hybrid usually not worth it. I'm also not sure I would want a Dodge/Jeep Hybrid contraption in the long run...
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Our 2022 Highlander Hybrid gets 36/35, the standard gets 21/27. The difference in price between the same trim level was $1500.
 
Santapez said:
Actually it's not just that I take into account. It's the added complexity, more things to go wrong, etc etc.
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I figured Toyota has been doing this longer than any other manufacturer. Plus we have full warranty for 10 years so whatever goes wrong doesn't matter cost-wise.
 
Bike N Gear said:
California trying to boost bicycle sales.

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Californians Told Not to Charge Electric Cars Days After ...

The California Air Resources Board recently approved a rule to require all new cars sold in California to be free of greenhouse gas emissions by 2035.
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This is demonstrating one of the biggest problems with the electric vehicle push. The power grid, which cant handle the load as it sits now, the govt wants you to buy an electric vehicle, but they arent supporting the infrastructure that is necessary to keep them charged.
 
shrpshtr325 said:
This is demonstrating one of the biggest problems with the electric vehicle push. The power grid, which cant handle the load as it sits now, the govt wants you to buy an electric vehicle, but they arent supporting the infrastructure that is necessary to keep them charged.
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This is a software scheduling problem. They should all be plugged in, with the ability to shed load when needed. Just like a/c and water heaters. Not to mention local backfeed.
 
Patrick said:
This is a software scheduling problem. They should all be plugged in, with the ability to shed load when needed. Just like a/c and water heaters. Not to mention local backfeed.
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Tesla Virtual Power Plant With PG&E | Tesla Support

Participate in the Emergency Load Reduction Program (ELRP) pilot offered by Pacific Gas and Electric Company (PG&E) and support the grid while also earning compensation and maintaining your energy security.
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It is no longer open, but looks like what you are describing.

Edit: Looks like it works.
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Tesla's virtual power plant had its first event helping the grid – looks like the future

Tesla’s virtual power plant in California had its first emergency response event helping the grid by pooling power from Powerwall owners around the state. The event appears to have been a success as the distributed power plant looks like the future. A virtual power plant (VPP) consists of...
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Patrick said:
This is a software scheduling problem. They should all be plugged in, with the ability to shed load when needed. Just like a/c and water heaters. Not to mention local backfeed.
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More of a local problem. The Socialist State of California has critical shortages of electricity and water. Add fire and earthquakes = stay away.
 
Patrick said:
This is a software scheduling problem. They should all be plugged in, with the ability to shed load when needed. Just like a/c and water heaters. Not to mention local backfeed.
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thats great when its a limited number of people charging their cars, but if everyone had a need to charge every night it would certainly be a problem, idk what the threshold is for the grid in its current state, but it certainly isnt enough to keep up with the push that the govt has towards its loading. there needs to be money spent on it in order to support electric cars.

also of note is that people have to be willing to participate in these setups, noone wants to turn up their thermostat when its 100deg outside, and noone is going to want to get into a partially charged car in the morning, its bad enough it takes several hours to charge each car now you want them to let some computer determine how much charge they can have each day?
 
shrpshtr325 said:
thats great when its a limited number of people charging their cars, but if everyone had a need to charge every night it would certainly be a problem, idk what the threshold is for the grid in its current state, but it certainly isnt enough to keep up with the push that the govt has towards its loading. there needs to be money spent on it in order to support electric cars.

also of note is that people have to be willing to participate in these setups, noone wants to turn up their thermostat when its 100deg outside, and noone is going to want to get into a partially charged car in the morning, its bad enough it takes several hours to charge each car now you want them to let some computer determine how much charge they can have each day?
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Yes. Not to mention we won't have our own cars. One will show up when we need it, and take us where we need to go. That is what Google calendar is for
 
Patrick said:
They will be living in the metaverse. No need to physically move.
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No need for bikes either then..💩

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