This Thread Blows - C19 and beyond

It is hyped and overblown but how do you get people to listen? The big headlines make people want to do the opposite. Like saying don’t touch that. Some people are just so non chalant about it. Your way of life needs to change temporarily!

distance yourself from everyone including your family that lives in the same town and shop with caution. Ive been talking to my wife that her parents (high risk). They aren’t getting the msg. They still want to have Sunday dinner tonight with other aunts and uncles. But honestly I might be a little selfish because I don’t mind cutting down on in law time. My wife gets it though. It’s also not wise to stock up and hoard everything. It will strain supply and demand chains.

My parents don’t want to see me because my grandma that lives there is 91!
 
Kaleidopete said:
Valley Hospital, Ridgewood, NJ
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Text from wife

"Bed bugs person came in to ed.. and the whole family who also had them w in waiting room..argueing w staff. Bc theres supposed to only be 1 person w a pt..they had aunts uncles grandparents kids..and arguing!!!"

This is exactly the problem with our society and while it will be much harder to control. Following directions is only for the other people not us attitude.
 
What is the hardest part now is getting through my teens to self distance. They aren't getting it. Especially my oldest who says he staying overnite at a friends then ends up in morristown, this after have 6 other teens here at my house last night. I just laid a hammer down. It's bad enough that our risk is already high.
 
mattybfat said:
What is the hardest part now is getting through my teens to self distance. They aren't getting it. Especially my oldest who says he staying overnite at a friends then ends up in morristown, this after have 6 other teens here at my house last night. I just laid a hammer down. It's bad enough that our risk is already high.
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Still arguing with my 19 year old. Pitt will allow them back in the dorms if they say they need to be there. So him and his bonehead friends filled out the form to stay. No questions, they just approve it. Wife, not so much.
 
mattybfat said:
What is the hardest part now is getting through my teens to self distance. They aren't getting it. Especially my oldest who says he staying overnite at a friends then ends up in morristown, this after have 6 other teens here at my house last night. I just laid a hammer down. It's bad enough that our risk is already high.
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Well cyclist social distancing is having more group rides....
Patrick said:
Does nobody know what to do with lasagna noodles?
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You have to admit they are the worst of the noodle options...that being said, I bought GF ones today
 
Bike N Gear said:
Still arguing with my 19 year old. Pitt will allow them back in the dorms if they say they need to be there. So him and his bonehead friends filled out the form to stay. No questions, they just approve it. Wife, not so much.
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My son came home from Pitt on Thursday. He lives off campus but still decided to come home. Staying in the dorms was supposed to be for kids who can't get home. The problem with Pitt is they treat a 19 yr old like a responsible adult 🙂
 
a.s. said:
🙁 Jesus, that's a really disturbing article. I'm going to say it again, make sure you and your family are ready to hunker down at home for 3+ weeks. You think there's panic and hysteria now? I'd avoid the crowded markets but from what I've seen, gas station food marts, local bodegas and even pharmacies like CVS have stocked food shelves - things like pasta, canned soups and simple non-perishables. Go shopping. Also make sure you have medicine, ibuprofen, nyquil and whatever else you need. If you get sick with a simple cold or even the regular flu (never mind Coronavirus) you will not be able to get to the doctor. Frankly, you should avoid all medical facilities and hospitals for quite a while.

Entire countries are going on lock down ...if you still think this is all hype and overblown then you're not paying attention.
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Please stop the hysterics and bad advice (like avoid medical facilities).
 
I feel like Arizona is a week behind.

We hit trader Joe's at 8:05am (we're still on Jersey time internally) and the parking lot was full, entire freezer section empty, lots of other shelves empty.
 
Posted from a national physician group:

In a “best case scenario“ model, epidemiology experts project that 200,000 Americans may need ICU level care in the coming months. However, based on emerging global data, the “worst case scenario” model projects that 2.9 million Americans may need ICU level care. There are 46,500 ICU beds available in the US. In an emergency, hospitals can quickly try to create alternative spaces to double this number to approximately 80,000. In the US, we only have 160,000 available ventilators. There are even fewer trained respiratory therapists, who are essential for achieving good outcomes for ventilated patients.

If nearly 3 million Americans need ICU beds during the same month, there will be an extreme mismatch between supply and demand. This results in something called “distributive justice,” which is currently happening in other countries. When there are not enough resources to care for all of the sick patients, medical teams have to make decisions about who to try to save. Right now, there are hospitals in Italy in which doctors are not even able to assess patients over 60 years (or younger patients with preexisting heart or lung problems) - these patients are dying in hospital hallways because 100% of efforts and resources are geared towards saving younger patients.

This is not a partisan issue; it’s not about “socialism” or “political agendas.” This is math: too many patients + not enough hospital resources and staff = more deaths. A recent study out of Johns Hopkins demonstrated that the US healthcare system will struggle to absorb a sudden and large influx of critically ill patients. Specifically, Memphis was identified as one of two US cities least prepared to absorb a high volume of critically ill patients, due to low ICU bed per population ratios.

Key message: decreasing your interactions with people (“social distancing”) can help to slow the spread of infection. This, in turn, slows the rate of sick people presenting to hospitals. The same number of people may ultimately get sick, but if they present to hospitals more gradually, then there will be more resources to go around. This helps to save lives.

The country of France has fewer reported cases of COVID19 than does the US - and today, the centralized government mandated closure of all public gathering spaces, including restaurants and cafes. I anticipate that other countries will begin to follow suit in the coming days. With the anticipated rate of spread, every day matters.

The goal is for us to look back on this year and think - that was stressful, but it could have been worse. This is achievable if millions of people make quiet, uncelebrated sacrifices and choices to minimize social interactions.
 
Mahnken said:
Posted from a national physician group:

In a “best case scenario“ model, epidemiology experts project that 200,000 Americans may need ICU level care in the coming months. However, based on emerging global data, the “worst case scenario” model projects that 2.9 million Americans may need ICU level care. There are 46,500 ICU beds available in the US. In an emergency, hospitals can quickly try to create alternative spaces to double this number to approximately 80,000. In the US, we only have 160,000 available ventilators. There are even fewer trained respiratory therapists, who are essential for achieving good outcomes for ventilated patients.

If nearly 3 million Americans need ICU beds during the same month, there will be an extreme mismatch between supply and demand. This results in something called “distributive justice,” which is currently happening in other countries. When there are not enough resources to care for all of the sick patients, medical teams have to make decisions about who to try to save. Right now, there are hospitals in Italy in which doctors are not even able to assess patients over 60 years (or younger patients with preexisting heart or lung problems) - these patients are dying in hospital hallways because 100% of efforts and resources are geared towards saving younger patients.

This is not a partisan issue; it’s not about “socialism” or “political agendas.” This is math: too many patients + not enough hospital resources and staff = more deaths. A recent study out of Johns Hopkins demonstrated that the US healthcare system will struggle to absorb a sudden and large influx of critically ill patients. Specifically, Memphis was identified as one of two US cities least prepared to absorb a high volume of critically ill patients, due to low ICU bed per population ratios.

Key message: decreasing your interactions with people (“social distancing”) can help to slow the spread of infection. This, in turn, slows the rate of sick people presenting to hospitals. The same number of people may ultimately get sick, but if they present to hospitals more gradually, then there will be more resources to go around. This helps to save lives.

The country of France has fewer reported cases of COVID19 than does the US - and today, the centralized government mandated closure of all public gathering spaces, including restaurants and cafes. I anticipate that other countries will begin to follow suit in the coming days. With the anticipated rate of spread, every day matters.

The goal is for us to look back on this year and think - that was stressful, but it could have been worse. This is achievable if millions of people make quiet, uncelebrated sacrifices and choices to minimize social interactions.
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Solid advice but there are factual errors re: France, they have more cases than the US, and a nearly an order of magnitude higher covid prevalence.
 
I finally went shopping this morning. With the exception of TP and bread, the shelves where I went were mostly full. The store was not crowded and I didn't wait in line. Aqui Market in Califon. Very nice store, a bit pricey, has a decent organic selection. This was what I was hoping for. A nice window of restocked shelves after the panic shopping wave completed. I grabbed what I normally would, and some canned stuff for good measure, but didn't go "crazy". I know we can go many weeks on what we have if needed.

We are now fully hunkered down. My oldest tween isn't getting it though, and still keeps asking to do things, but my younger two are seemingly more OK with it. I'm really not sure what I think about all this, but a couple weeks even months of laying low really isn't a big deal in the grand scheme of things. So I'm all in for social distancing. It's just not that big of a sacrifice the way I see it. Especially since I don't even like people that much.

If something changes, and I start to see this thing hitting kids, then I'll freak out, but I continue to take comfort in the fact that my kids are a lot less likely to get it, or suffer bad consequences if they do. That makes a huge difference to my level of comfort with any of these health things.
 
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