Lewis Morris

Norm said:
Are you 30-39 or 40-49? They time everyone with the same start time. So when they post the official results it will say "subtract 2 minutes for real time". This is SOP. You were probably in the 3rd group to go?

The number plate, it's always better to make sure than not. Sometimes they're not 100% sure - remember these are just weary-eyed volunteers - and they want to make sure that every single rider is accounted for.
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The time on the results sheet is often referred to as the "raw time". Your actual race time (after subtracting X minutes to correct for your class' delayed started time) is the "adjusted" or "corrected". I imagine some may even call it a "normalized time", if they have a scientific bent.
 
Norm said:
Do they have a double blind scoring system?

Obviously not!
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Maybe they *do*, and one of the blind guys (or woman) hit the delete key. Since they're both blind, they'd never know since they can't see the screen. That would explain the scoring problems.
 
Biz said:
Maybe they *do*, and one of the blind guys (or woman) hit the delete key. Since they're both blind, they'd never know since they can't see the screen. That would explain the scoring problems.
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LOLOLOLOL!!! Too funny!
 
ccbrendan said:
Not as nice as Nathan's but some fun to look at!
http://gallery.mac.com/brendan61#100015
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Yo!!!! No touching!!! Do I need to bring a bouncer to the next race??? :rofl:

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We better get refunds or all 1 st place points for this race. I hope they dont start making sh** up.
 
I know my time, so they can't fudge on that. I gotta say, I am a bit pissed too. Free race entry is what I was thinking....
 
I hope they at least learn their lesson and scrap this silly Compuscore system in favor of good old fashioned pencil and paper next year.
 
Computer Scoring

I know Brian from teambulldog had written a program that has worked well for cyclocross. It is called "lap tracker" and I'm think Brian would rent the system to promoters. I know during cross they use the program, but always have a back up of pencil and paper and it works well. Just my thoughts.

I hope for the sport class they can sort this all out.😕

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I felt I had a good race so it will be disappointing if the results are lost. A potentially good result can easily turn into a fish tale.
 
Well the reality is this. At the end of the day, we're all sitting at work today, right? I mean especially the sport class riders. So if you know your time, go here:

http://martysreliable.com/page.cfm?PageID=445

Add the appropriate number of minutes for your class, then compare yourself to last year. If you are in the 30-39 or 40-49 class, split the class based on age and see where you would have come in. I think last year I would have been 6th, this year 4th in the 35-39 class.

Not an exact science but we're not making a living off this. As long as you had a good time then that's all you need.

I believe there are software timing systems you can buy for a few hundred bucks.
 
i finished ahead of greg h. and behind the guy in the red jersey. will this info help? some of us dont feel they need to race w/ computers. im on the refund line when it forms.
 
Norm said:
Well the reality is this. At the end of the day, we're all sitting at work today, right? I mean especially the sport class riders. So if you know your time, go here:

http://martysreliable.com/page.cfm?PageID=445

Add the appropriate number of minutes for your class, then compare yourself to last year. If you are in the 30-39 or 40-49 class, split the class based on age and see where you would have come in. I think last year I would have been 6th, this year 4th in the 35-39 class.

Not an exact science but we're not making a living off this. As long as you had a good time then that's all you need.

I believe there are software timing systems you can buy for a few hundred bucks.
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NOTE: The statement below is not attacking Norm at all, or calling anyone on this BB naive. He just made two points that I think are a good introduction/segue into this rant:

Yes, most of us are at work right now, earning the money we use to pay for entrance fees. And we're not paying just to ride and have fun. We could do that at Lewis Morris (or any other park with bike trails) any other day of the year. We are paying race against our fellow MTBers, and see how we measure up. In the end, the race results are really the product we are paying for.

We don't make a living off of racing, but bike shops that organize races, do. Either directly through then entrance fees, or indirectly through the additional business they receive through the advertising the race provides, or the increased interest in biking that the races create.

Anyone who thinks that bike shops are organizing races purely for altruistic reasons, or that we race purely for fun is naive.

Last season, I was flamed for expressing my displeasure at the Ringwood results taking over a week to be posted online. I hope this doesn't happen again. I'm not angry at Marty's, b/c it was clear that the guy doing the scorekeeping was genuinely upset, and I'm sure whatever happened was accidental. The rest of the race was very well organized - Marty's had their act together.

If our results were lost, then we should get a refund b/c we're not getting the product we paid for.

Regarding using computers for results:

The problem isn't necessarily with the computer scoring system, but with it's implementation. Any system that contains critical data (our race results), shouldn't have a single point of failure. There should be redundancy at every point: There should be two independent computers recording the data, and the data should be on redundant disks. With modern computers, hardware failures are rare, but they can still happen.

I only saw one laptop at the race if the computer crashed, then there's a good the race data was lost, or at least corrupted.

Anyone who's done the 24 Hours of Allamuchy has seen what I'm talking about. They have 3 systems for clocking in and out: At start/finish of each lap, you "chip-in" twice, and someone is manually entering your number, too. The computer systems do work, but fault-tolerant systems are expensive and complicated. I doubt they've ever lost data, but I bet the system is expensive to rent for the weekend, and requires a decent amount of people to supervise/operate.

If you can't do that, then a pencil and paper is much better. Better still is two people (who aren't blind) with paper and pencil.

I've been wanting to say this for days now: The "reliable" in "Marty's Reliable" clearly doesn't mean reliable time-keeping. Sorry... couldn't resist.
 
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