the NOT SO official 27.5+ thread.

[skyrokz]

Correct. Boost hubs uses a 148x12 through-axle, 6mm wider than a traditional rear mountain hub (135 QR / 142 thru). The extra width is split between left and right, so the chainline moves 3mm outboard. This affords a little more clearance for wide tires and widens the spoke flanges for a stronger wheel.

Exactly, boost also has been introduced to the front axle/fork going from 15x100 To 15x110

 

[Juggernaut]

Exactly, boost also has been introduced to the front axle/fork going from 15x100 To 15x110

Roooooof Drop. 😉

 

[jumpa]

Exactly, boost also has been introduced to the front axle/fork going from 15x100 To 15x110

ROooOooO00ooffffFFFff drop!

 

[Monkey Soup]

Correct. Boost hubs uses a 148x12 through-axle, 6mm wider than a traditional rear mountain hub (135 QR / 142 thru). The extra width is split between left and right, so the chainline moves 3mm outboard. This affords a little more clearance for wide tires and widens the spoke flanges for a stronger wheel.

Or you could just make asymmetrical rims like they've been doing for years and achieve the same thing. But then that wouldn't sell new bikes.

 

[RSAmerica]

I have some new take-off parts from my 2016 Scott Scale 710 Plus for sale.
Part were only used 5 times.

Syncros 27.5 Plus Boost Wheelset

• Rims: Syncros X-40 27.5 Plus 40mm Internal width 32 Hole
• Hub Front: Syncros CL811 Boost 15x110mm Centerlock
• Hub Rear: Syncros CL14811 Boost 148x12mm XD Centerlock
• Spokes: DT Swiss Champion Black 1.8mm
• Include Shimano SM-RT54-M Centerlock Rotors Set 180 & 160

SRAM GX 1x X-SYNC™ Crankset

• 24mm spindle, 175mm, 30t
• BOOST 148 compatible

SRAM XG-1150 10-42 T 11-Speed Cassette

Parts are posted in Bits and Pieces Forum

 

[mattybfat]

I took a weeny sample on @jdog bad habit and must say that bike felt better then anything I have been on probably ever. Yeah crazy coming from me but I want to take that out for a real ride. Super stable and even the lefty felt smooth.
Crackendale has a winner here that even I want to play with.

 

[jdog]

I took a weeny sample on @jdog bad habit and must say that bike felt better then anything I have been on probably ever. Yeah crazy coming from me but I want to take that out for a real ride. Super stable and even the lefty felt smooth.
Crackendale has a winner here that even I want to play with.

You are welcome to get some time on it. You can't for a second deny the huge changes to that fork from any lefty you have tried before. That bike has really made me smile. It just works. No BS.

I have lent it out to about 10 people and they all have fallen in love with it and it made them rethink what a mtb should be.

 

[Arwen's Mom]

I have lent it out to about 10 people and they all have fallen in love with it and it made them rethink what a mtb should be.

hmmmmmm sure would like to be a judge in this contest.

 

[Magic]

Where can we find the sign up sheet?🙂

 

[Red Mosquito]

The pics of @rick81721 's new Salsa have got me drooling. I need to figure out how to work a FS bike into the budget.

 

[UtahJoe]

@jdog lent it to me this past week.. I took it out Saturday for a 20 mile mahlon tour.

So for me... I have both... Scalpel for racing, trigger 29er for playing around. Usually means that while I like some of the in between bikes, I would probably never buy one..... Which is kinda how I felt after riding the regular 27.5 habit. I thought it was amazing and so fun... If I couldn't have two separate bikes, I would think about getting one. Turned great, climbed, was considerably easier to hop over things than either of my 29ers, and didn't really notice the difference with the smaller wheel rolling over rocky stuff. But it wasnt as pure race bike as my scalpel, or as burly all mountain as my trigger.

The bad habit to felt very similar to the regular habit, but just more on the all mountain side. It still has that same awesome feeling the regular habit does through turns... Which to me feels like I can get so low on it and just keep leaning it over...I guess its partially due to the slacker head angle...Whatever it is, I just feel so much more confident on this bike in high speed turns. Now with the bigger tires, the grip is ridiculous and its incredibly stable when the ground is choppy... Like mahlon. Stone gate for example is now so eroded that parts of it are starting to resemble a river bed...This is where I loved this bike the most. Man does it plow though shit at speed. This bike has the lefty 2.0, which I believe is the replacement for the XC style lefty that is on my scalpel for example. Then cannondale also makes the supermax, which is what is on my trigger...140mm 36mm stanchion...While I dont think its as good as the supermax when bombing through rocks, compared to the old lefty that is on my scalpel, its night and day better. It just stays planted and online, and I was taking lines down stone gate I would never take with my old xlr lefty thats on my scalpel.

The traction is also awesome as you would expect and it makes climbing sections like the overlook really easy...I found I could almost stall it out, stand up and still power through something without spinning the rear tire out.

I lined up my trigger and the bad habit....tire height is pretty close. My trigger has a 2.3 minion on the front.

I really LOVE my trigger, but no BS, I think this bike has maybe surpassed it in fun factor. Ok not 100% every aspect, but it turns better, is more nimble and climbs better...I said this to @jdog I think the one thing that might put it over the top was if they put the supermax lefty on it.

Great bike, I could see replacing my trigger with this someday.

 

[mattybfat]

Good write up Joe
Liked to hear what @Kirt has to say.

 

[rick81721]

The pics of @rick81721 's new Salsa have got me drooling. I need to figure out how to work a FS bike into the budget.

Yeah - I'm not a racer, basically just a chump rider - and have only 3 rides on the 27.5+ horsethief so far, but I am super impressed with this set up. The traction is unreal - I found myself in the 6mr ride flying around turns I would previously brake into. And first time on the rocks at the sourlands I was cleaning many sections I never did before - first try. At some point I'll get the 29er wheels prepped and will do a back-to-back comparison on the same loop. Only potential downside so far is weight - mine is 32 lbs- and for me it's really no difference as my previous 29er is aluminum and about the same, but the horsethief with the 29er wheels should be ~ 28.

 

[LGMan]

Anyone has the weight of Cannondale Bad Habit 1?? Debating on 27.5+ Bad Habit 1 or 29+ Hard Tail (Stache 9)

 

[UtahJoe]

Anyone has the weight of Cannondale Bad Habit 1?? Debating on 27.5+ Bad Habit 1 or 29+ Hard Tail (Stache 9)

The blue one that I test rode.. Not sure which bad habit model it is, but I weighed it as pictured above, 31lbs. I think the only carbon bit on it is the bar, rest is alloy.

 

[Johnny Utah]

@jdog lent it to me this past week.. I took it out Saturday for a 20 mile mahlon tour.

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So for me... I have both... Scalpel for racing, trigger 29er for playing around. Usually means that while I like some of the in between bikes, I would probably never buy one..... Which is kinda how I felt after riding the regular 27.5 habit. I thought it was amazing and so fun... If I couldn't have two separate bikes, I would think about getting one. Turned great, climbed, was considerably easier to hop over things than either of my 29ers, and didn't really notice the difference with the smaller wheel rolling over rocky stuff. But it wasnt as pure race bike as my scalpel, or as burly all mountain as my trigger.

The bad habit to felt very similar to the regular habit, but just more on the all mountain side. It still has that same awesome feeling the regular habit does through turns... Which to me feels like I can get so low on it and just keep leaning it over...I guess its partially due to the slacker head angle...Whatever it is, I just feel so much more confident on this bike in high speed turns. Now with the bigger tires, the grip is ridiculous and its incredibly stable when the ground is choppy... Like mahlon. Stone gate for example is now so eroded that parts of it are starting to resemble a river bed...This is where I loved this bike the most. Man does it plow though shit at speed. This bike has the lefty 2.0, which I believe is the replacement for the XC style lefty that is on my scalpel for example. Then cannondale also makes the supermax, which is what is on my trigger...140mm 36mm stanchion...While I dont think its as good as the supermax when bombing through rocks, compared to the old lefty that is on my scalpel, its night and day better. It just stays planted and online, and I was taking lines down stone gate I would never take with my old xlr lefty thats on my scalpel.

The traction is also awesome as you would expect and it makes climbing sections like the overlook really easy...I found I could almost stall it out, stand up and still power through something without spinning the rear tire out.

I lined up my trigger and the bad habit....tire height is pretty close. My trigger has a 2.3 minion on the front.

I really LOVE my trigger, but no BS, I think this bike has maybe surpassed it in fun factor. Ok not 100% every aspect, but it turns better, is more nimble and climbs better...I said this to @jdog I think the one thing that might put it over the top was if they put the supermax lefty on it.

Great bike, I could see replacing my trigger with this someday.

If I were in the market for a trail bike, this would be in the top five. Solid write up Utah, thanks for sharing!

 

[LGMan]

The blue one that I test rode.. Not sure which bad habit model it is, but I weighed it as pictured above, 31lbs. I think the only carbon bit on it is the bar, rest is alloy.

Thanks! That helps! Leaning torwards this - FS is still FS in feel and response, regardless how large the tire size is compared to HT.

 

[jdog]

Just got back from Santa Cruz where I had two days riding the SC Hightower in the trails it was designed to rip. 135mm rear/150 front. Super modern geo with a longer TT and the new standard 5cm stem and 800mm bars. This thing is the real deal. I missed my lefty and as much as the haters will hate, the pike is less active while cornering. The Vpp works as claimed which is really admirable. You can run the rear shock wide open on the climbs if you like. The descending was wicked. I was among a group of guys who ride these trails all the time and I held my own. Trails so steep that I would otherwise wish for my DH bike and mandatory gaps that made me happy I spent last summer DHing so much. (Ben would have been proud). Full use of the 150mm dropper on many near vertical drop ins. The undying traction made me laugh out loud many times in spots where on any other tire, I would simply have eaten shit. It is worth noting that this bike had fully blown out Maxxis 2.8 tires on it and not the 3" size I have been loving at home. These treads were fully balooney skinned after a few months of hard demo use. They still ripped and shredded the steep and wet trails after 5" of rain the week before in an otherwise dry Cali.

A few guys had chosen to ride this same bike with 29er wheels and they too were raving too. I heard one guy say: "is this really a 29er"..

Bottom line here is that the future as I see it is a bike that can run both 29" & 27+ The Hightower at 135mm rear may prove a hair more travel than need for my local trails but keep you eyes peeled for another bike release in the next 6 weeks that fills a noteably void with another 27+ offering.

 

[mattybfat]

@jdog I can't like this enough
#oldtimelongtimecruzfanboy

 

[mattybfat]

Looking at the demo I can't believe how DH oriented it looks. The back half spot on. The head isn't as slack but damn it looks like one stable machine.