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Running With the Foghorn Leghorn
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so kate forwarded me this article...
http://www.eattoperform.com/2015/01/30/basics-of-losing-body-fat/
...after a conversation she and i had about a theme that's been running in your latest posts. i'm not a person that has to deal with food/fat stuff. my body sheds weight but i lose muscle entirely too fast. so i'm not gonna put a pile of "advice" here. i'm far from an expert.
so you don't have to read it, here are the cliffs:
she said what she liked was the whole taper on/taper off diet thing. if you were to train every day to race every day for too long, you'd burn out and your body would fall apart. and your racing would suck. she looks at food the same as exercise. when you diet, you're training your metabolism, so why would you push it to do fartleks everyday, but still expect the body to perform at top levels if you never give it a break? because if you do that, your body will suck eventually. that's her thinking really really boiled down, she just would write it a little more... eloquently.
just figured i would share the sharing of the article, since in a roundabout way it started with talking about what you've been talking about lately.
http://www.eattoperform.com/2015/01/30/basics-of-losing-body-fat/
...after a conversation she and i had about a theme that's been running in your latest posts. i'm not a person that has to deal with food/fat stuff. my body sheds weight but i lose muscle entirely too fast. so i'm not gonna put a pile of "advice" here. i'm far from an expert.
so you don't have to read it, here are the cliffs:
- a calorie deficit – taking in less energy than you expend – will result in weight loss, and a calorie surplus will result in weight gain (no duh).
- for most people, weighing, tracking and logging food should be approached more like a “test” to see where things are, not as a lifestyle or a long-term behavior.
- the composition of your meals, along with your choice of exercise, will tip the scale in favor of losing less muscle mass/more fat as your weight drops.
- there is a calculator embedded in the article, so it has to be accurate. science.
- if you restrict calories too long, you'll end up fat again (i'm not calling you fat).
- just like when racing, you need to look at dieting as a taper on/taper off thing. not a 100% all the time thing.
she said what she liked was the whole taper on/taper off diet thing. if you were to train every day to race every day for too long, you'd burn out and your body would fall apart. and your racing would suck. she looks at food the same as exercise. when you diet, you're training your metabolism, so why would you push it to do fartleks everyday, but still expect the body to perform at top levels if you never give it a break? because if you do that, your body will suck eventually. that's her thinking really really boiled down, she just would write it a little more... eloquently.
just figured i would share the sharing of the article, since in a roundabout way it started with talking about what you've been talking about lately.
Wednesday, May 27, 2015
Finally this morning the scale relents against my unending attack. Logic & reason would suggest that the 4+ hour ride on the hottest day of the year would be a direct cause of this. But being the introspective-poor human that I am, I will credit the ChiaPet seeds for my magnificent showing this morning. As Utah said, I lost a baby in 1 day - 7.2 pounds. Yes for real, a 7.2 pound drop in a single day. I tell you this as an example of how impossible this scale is to work with for me.
Regardless, this is at the least the right direction. Much better than a +7.2.
I don't know any Nancy Clark but I did look up H=N/C which I found means "health = nutrition/calories". Effectively this is saying to eat nutrition-dense food, which is all well and good in theory. But I have long ago come to realize that when you burn 2950 calories like I did on yesterday's ride (power meter is how I know) you simply cannot refuel on kale. Removing the outlandish caloric requirements of endurance exercise, yes sure, nutrition-dense foods are awesome.
But cake is awesome too.
So to @jmanic - this is what I was getting at yesterday. I think that I am inducing a semi-not-really starvation mode a little bit. This is actually something I have seen in years past. It kinda goes like this. I eat small breakfast, small lunch, I am dead tired in the afternoon, normal dinner, bottom falls out and I eat at night.
Net-net: total calories go down, scale goes down, I do well on bike. But I am exhausted in the afternoon and often times my body simply refuses to (TMI ALERT) crap for days. Then one day I wake up and say screw it, I eat a big breakfast, spend some (TMI ALERT) QT on the toilet, and god on earth what is this guy talking about?
Let's just say that I have seen these cycles where I eat very little, my body seems to go into shutdown mode, I eat a burst at night and...you know, come to think if it this is kinda coming together now in my head. I'm thinking out loud. It is also something to remember that I pretty much ate half my calories after 6:00 pm most days, and rode my bike before 6:00 am. So it was like I had this half-half cycle where I would calorie load at night, store it up, burn it off in the morning, then live like a calorie-starved zombie half the day.
But, you know, in the end that worked. Maybe not exactly a perfect routine but it did work. Working on that.
So today on the bike I met up with @Kirt. He said he needed to do a semi-hard ride today so I'm like sure, but fair warning you know what you're getting into with me today. We went around RV and I felt mostly like a decent version of myself for about 1.5 hours. Then I started to fade a little, as 2 bottles clearly wasn't enough for this heat. We extended the ride a little and ended up at 2:16 for the ride and 41 miles. At about 2 hours I was just ghost pedaling back to the car. At just about 2:15 my left leg cramped up in monster style. The last minute was an effort to just get back. But I made it.
I got home and got on the scale just for the sake of entertainment. 13 pounds less than yesterday morning. I've now given birth to water twins.
I probably have nothing else to say today so I will send this one to pasture early. Tomorrow will be a low-key day on the bike, which probably means an hour at most.
@clarkenstein - just saw your addition as I am submitting this. I'll save that for tomorrow when there is less cramping going on in my kingdom.
Finally this morning the scale relents against my unending attack. Logic & reason would suggest that the 4+ hour ride on the hottest day of the year would be a direct cause of this. But being the introspective-poor human that I am, I will credit the ChiaPet seeds for my magnificent showing this morning. As Utah said, I lost a baby in 1 day - 7.2 pounds. Yes for real, a 7.2 pound drop in a single day. I tell you this as an example of how impossible this scale is to work with for me.
Regardless, this is at the least the right direction. Much better than a +7.2.
I don't know any Nancy Clark but I did look up H=N/C which I found means "health = nutrition/calories". Effectively this is saying to eat nutrition-dense food, which is all well and good in theory. But I have long ago come to realize that when you burn 2950 calories like I did on yesterday's ride (power meter is how I know) you simply cannot refuel on kale. Removing the outlandish caloric requirements of endurance exercise, yes sure, nutrition-dense foods are awesome.
But cake is awesome too.
So to @jmanic - this is what I was getting at yesterday. I think that I am inducing a semi-not-really starvation mode a little bit. This is actually something I have seen in years past. It kinda goes like this. I eat small breakfast, small lunch, I am dead tired in the afternoon, normal dinner, bottom falls out and I eat at night.
Net-net: total calories go down, scale goes down, I do well on bike. But I am exhausted in the afternoon and often times my body simply refuses to (TMI ALERT) crap for days. Then one day I wake up and say screw it, I eat a big breakfast, spend some (TMI ALERT) QT on the toilet, and god on earth what is this guy talking about?
Let's just say that I have seen these cycles where I eat very little, my body seems to go into shutdown mode, I eat a burst at night and...you know, come to think if it this is kinda coming together now in my head. I'm thinking out loud. It is also something to remember that I pretty much ate half my calories after 6:00 pm most days, and rode my bike before 6:00 am. So it was like I had this half-half cycle where I would calorie load at night, store it up, burn it off in the morning, then live like a calorie-starved zombie half the day.
But, you know, in the end that worked. Maybe not exactly a perfect routine but it did work. Working on that.
So today on the bike I met up with @Kirt. He said he needed to do a semi-hard ride today so I'm like sure, but fair warning you know what you're getting into with me today. We went around RV and I felt mostly like a decent version of myself for about 1.5 hours. Then I started to fade a little, as 2 bottles clearly wasn't enough for this heat. We extended the ride a little and ended up at 2:16 for the ride and 41 miles. At about 2 hours I was just ghost pedaling back to the car. At just about 2:15 my left leg cramped up in monster style. The last minute was an effort to just get back. But I made it.
I got home and got on the scale just for the sake of entertainment. 13 pounds less than yesterday morning. I've now given birth to water twins.
I probably have nothing else to say today so I will send this one to pasture early. Tomorrow will be a low-key day on the bike, which probably means an hour at most.
@clarkenstein - just saw your addition as I am submitting this. I'll save that for tomorrow when there is less cramping going on in my kingdom.
Mountain Bike Mike
Well-Known Member
Holy Hell - that's alot of weight all at one time.. its like your body was holding out all this time and just gave up and dumped...
Thursday, May 28, 2015
@rick81721 - while I wouldn't call 13 pounds "normal" it isn't especially abnormal. 2 days ago I was still experiencing the Weekend Bloat so the 13 is really more like 9. I have topped off my tank a bit and now I am back up 7 pounds, which is a little more normal as my body wasn't going to operate well in that hole. I suspect tomorrow will be another few pounds up as I re-hydrate even more. I think this is amplified as we go from spring to dead of summer weather in 2 days. Saturday morning when I rode it was 43 degrees.
This morning I had an amazing peach for breakfast.
So I'm riveted (intrigued?) by @clarkenstein's post that Kate would have written more eloquently. The idea of diet periodization has floated around my head for some time, and to see someone else say it makes it all the more real. I imagine this is what the "people who stay thin" crowd do naturally and those of us who struggle cannot. But it makes a lot of sense and in the context of keeping metabolism moving and baseline caloric consumption higher, not cutting calories 24/7 does make more sense. I mean, if you cut exactly 500 calories every day your body will probably try to adjust to that - this is what the approach would seem to be saying. Likewise, there absolutely has to be a correlation to performance. I touched briefly on that yesterday and I have to imagine that my performances in the past were despite my nutrition approach not really because of it. I think I have a lot of room to improve there.
One thing that does not work for me though is non-calorie counting. I have tried repeatedly and failed repeatedly. It's not onerous to me so I'm ok with that.
I guess it begs the question, how to structure it? By day, by week, or ad hoc? As a human being, I think the ad hoc approach is the best one. For me the hardest part will be the "turn off" days. Well, mentally. Physically I love to turn off and slam a good few pieces of cake or slices of pizza.
Another thought for those of you still reading. Is it better to cut exactly 500 calories a day for 7 days, or 1750 on Tuesday and 1750 on Wednesday then the other 5 days try for a zero-sum day? The latter might give better results if you buy that article's main idea.
Today I rode my bike really easy on the road at lunch time shortly after falling asleep on the office couch. My left inner thigh is still hurting from the cramp yesterday. I'm not sure I have ever cramped to the degree which it still hurt this much the next day. However, they say that you forget pain as time goes on. So maybe I'm just forgetting. Also listened to most of the 2nd part of the Mongul podcast as recommended by @gtluke. I will say now that I'm sure I'll get through this then look for his next set of history podcasts. They're really engaging. I recommend them to @jShort for on-bike material.
I also bought a RIP9 today, as sold by @Jason the guy who founded MTBNJ. @UtahJoe went and got it for me and said it's in stellar condition. @Delish thinks this will be much harder for me to destroy than the Scalpel. But I'm sure I can destroy anything given enough time.
Tomorrow I'm hoping to ride a mountain bike somewhere.
@rick81721 - while I wouldn't call 13 pounds "normal" it isn't especially abnormal. 2 days ago I was still experiencing the Weekend Bloat so the 13 is really more like 9. I have topped off my tank a bit and now I am back up 7 pounds, which is a little more normal as my body wasn't going to operate well in that hole. I suspect tomorrow will be another few pounds up as I re-hydrate even more. I think this is amplified as we go from spring to dead of summer weather in 2 days. Saturday morning when I rode it was 43 degrees.
This morning I had an amazing peach for breakfast.
So I'm riveted (intrigued?) by @clarkenstein's post that Kate would have written more eloquently. The idea of diet periodization has floated around my head for some time, and to see someone else say it makes it all the more real. I imagine this is what the "people who stay thin" crowd do naturally and those of us who struggle cannot. But it makes a lot of sense and in the context of keeping metabolism moving and baseline caloric consumption higher, not cutting calories 24/7 does make more sense. I mean, if you cut exactly 500 calories every day your body will probably try to adjust to that - this is what the approach would seem to be saying. Likewise, there absolutely has to be a correlation to performance. I touched briefly on that yesterday and I have to imagine that my performances in the past were despite my nutrition approach not really because of it. I think I have a lot of room to improve there.
One thing that does not work for me though is non-calorie counting. I have tried repeatedly and failed repeatedly. It's not onerous to me so I'm ok with that.
I guess it begs the question, how to structure it? By day, by week, or ad hoc? As a human being, I think the ad hoc approach is the best one. For me the hardest part will be the "turn off" days. Well, mentally. Physically I love to turn off and slam a good few pieces of cake or slices of pizza.
Another thought for those of you still reading. Is it better to cut exactly 500 calories a day for 7 days, or 1750 on Tuesday and 1750 on Wednesday then the other 5 days try for a zero-sum day? The latter might give better results if you buy that article's main idea.
Today I rode my bike really easy on the road at lunch time shortly after falling asleep on the office couch. My left inner thigh is still hurting from the cramp yesterday. I'm not sure I have ever cramped to the degree which it still hurt this much the next day. However, they say that you forget pain as time goes on. So maybe I'm just forgetting. Also listened to most of the 2nd part of the Mongul podcast as recommended by @gtluke. I will say now that I'm sure I'll get through this then look for his next set of history podcasts. They're really engaging. I recommend them to @jShort for on-bike material.
I also bought a RIP9 today, as sold by @Jason the guy who founded MTBNJ. @UtahJoe went and got it for me and said it's in stellar condition. @Delish thinks this will be much harder for me to destroy than the Scalpel. But I'm sure I can destroy anything given enough time.
Tomorrow I'm hoping to ride a mountain bike somewhere.
congrats on the new steed!
the idea of cycling calorie counts should be balanced against a binge meal???? once in deficit mode, the hunger seems to go away after a week or so. Will this happen
if upping the intake - perhaps moderated by spreading the calories over more, small meals? idk - just throwing it out there.
i have named your photo Still Life with Bar Code....
the idea of cycling calorie counts should be balanced against a binge meal???? once in deficit mode, the hunger seems to go away after a week or so. Will this happen
if upping the intake - perhaps moderated by spreading the calories over more, small meals? idk - just throwing it out there.
i have named your photo Still Life with Bar Code....
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Glad the chia seeds are working for you, they don't work that well for me 😉
Serious, any other effects from the serious dehydration you are enjoying?
Cramping says it all.
I like the idea of periodization. Seems more sustainable, and also everyone I've ever known to successfully keep weight off has done so numerically- counting calories, or using a point system. As long as it's base 10, it should work. A huge re-set for me was keeping a food diary for a couple of months. The awareness and accountability definitely changed how I eat.
On the other end of the spectrum, i overate twice this weekend. I mean I'm sure I regularly consume more than I need to, but this was the omg I feel lousy for eating too much kinda thing.
Both cases I waited way too long between meals and didn't snack. Got into the red zone and just kept going. Then when I did eat, I came out swinging for the fences. Feels lousy.
Fortunately it's a rare thing these days.
Nice new ride.
Serious, any other effects from the serious dehydration you are enjoying?
Cramping says it all.
I like the idea of periodization. Seems more sustainable, and also everyone I've ever known to successfully keep weight off has done so numerically- counting calories, or using a point system. As long as it's base 10, it should work. A huge re-set for me was keeping a food diary for a couple of months. The awareness and accountability definitely changed how I eat.
On the other end of the spectrum, i overate twice this weekend. I mean I'm sure I regularly consume more than I need to, but this was the omg I feel lousy for eating too much kinda thing.
Both cases I waited way too long between meals and didn't snack. Got into the red zone and just kept going. Then when I did eat, I came out swinging for the fences. Feels lousy.
Fortunately it's a rare thing these days.
Nice new ride.
Guessing 6 pounds.
6.4 Bob
The Heckler
You bring new meaning to the term SUCK
"Shake Weight"
might i suggest diet mt. dew? you'll have to slam several to be EXTREME and at 220 calories/bottle, well, that'll add up quick.
Juggernaut
Master of the Metaphor
With pictures!