Camp Cromwell property

gmb3 said:
Not trying to be a d!ck and criticize, but just want to offer advice. For this specific turn, it looks more like a curb than a berm. I would dig out a bunch of dirt in the circled areas and dig a smooth transition from the outside of your turn down to the level of the inside low spot. This would make a much bigger berm to hold you better and you can use all the dirt you dig out to build up the outside of this turn or other features.
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I agree with you but, I think the drainage pipe forces the inside of the turn to be higher.
 
gmb3 said:
I would dig out a bunch of dirt in the circled areas and dig a smooth transition from the outside of your turn
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Also, not to be a dick. My thoughts;

I agree on more dishing of this berm, however I would recut the inside radius for fill to dish inslope.

If the line is being pushed out for more radius, the inside edge of trail can be cut for fill dirt. This would be quicker with mini-ex hogging it out and hand grading a dished berm.

Dig, ride, dig, ride...
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pooriggy said:
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This exactly. This is what I typically do with this trail. I go out for a few hours and do that cycle. I will ride it a few times, then go work on it for an hour or so. Then I'll ride it again a few more times but then usually go home because it's exhausting.

The dirt in that turn is like cement. I know it's easy to draw red penises on the picture and suggest what should be changed, but this shit is like prison camp labor. I use a pick to loosen it up, then I turn it around dig a bit more, then McCloud with teeth, then flat edge of McCloud to scrape the rock-loaded dirt. What you see is 3 passes of that 4-step process added up over the course of an hour. My point is that this is kinda brutal to work with. So I do a little bit at a time. In addition, this dirt is absolutely loaded with rocks. Some baby heads, some pebbles, and everything in between. During the process I'm trying to scrape as many of the rocks out & over the top to the backside - an impossible task.

Another reality is that this will pack in and 1000000000 small rocks will show up. Every new trail in CR goes through this cycle. Dirt looks nice and smooth, then in about 8 minutes there are 4-5 million rocks freely moving on the top. So my MO is to assume I'll need to go back and do a second finishing/scraping of the rocks. Once the base packs in a little, then I can think a bit longer term with any trail here.

We're also getting an electric wheelbarrow to use, in addition to some dirt delivery. While there will need to be some manual work still done, hopefully some of this dirt work will be easier with that.

Thanks to @Kirt for helping get us the green light to work here and keeping us both motivated. For these trails, thanks to @jdog for coming out and shaping these mountains. Today I felt like he was moving the mountains and I was carving the faces of the presidents on them. Unfortunately I didn't have time to do them all, so some of the presidents are kinda ugly right now.

Go ride this shit! Unofficially of course...
 
Norm said:
This exactly. This is what I typically do with this trail. I go out for a few hours and do that cycle. I will ride it a few times, then go work on it for an hour or so. Then I'll ride it again a few more times but then usually go home because it's exhausting.

The dirt in that turn is like cement. I know it's easy to draw red penises on the picture and suggest what should be changed, but this shit is like prison camp labor. I use a pick to loosen it up, then I turn it around dig a bit more, then McCloud with teeth, then flat edge of McCloud to scrape the rock-loaded dirt. What you see is 3 passes of that 4-step process added up over the course of an hour. My point is that this is kinda brutal to work with. So I do a little bit at a time. In addition, this dirt is absolutely loaded with rocks. Some baby heads, some pebbles, and everything in between. During the process I'm trying to scrape as many of the rocks out & over the top to the backside - an impossible task.

Another reality is that this will pack in and 1000000000 small rocks will show up. Every new trail in CR goes through this cycle. Dirt looks nice and smooth, then in about 8 minutes there are 4-5 million rocks freely moving on the top. So my MO is to assume I'll need to go back and do a second finishing/scraping of the rocks. Once the base packs in a little, then I can think a bit longer term with any trail here.

We're also getting an electric wheelbarrow to use, in addition to some dirt delivery. While there will need to be some manual work still done, hopefully some of this dirt work will be easier with that.

Thanks to @Kirt for helping get us the green light to work here and keeping us both motivated. For these trails, thanks to @jdog for coming out and shaping these mountains. Today I felt like he was moving the mountains and I was carving the faces of the presidents on them. Unfortunately I didn't have time to do them all, so some of the presidents are kinda ugly right now.

Go ride this shit! Unofficially of course...
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Not that anyone needs my sign-off, but can confirm everything you said. The TM I did w/ you there I experienced firsthand the "quality" of the rocks, errr, dirt.

Have also ridden same day work was done and, other than being a little soft cuz it hadn't bedded in yet, was amazed at the complete lack of rocks. Then 2 days later, hey, where'd all these rocks come from!?!?!?!?!

And my son came home from school begging off HB flow visit due to deluge of homework, so I'll be visiting this new work in a little while.
 
I'm really interested to see if the Cromwell trails hold up better than the rest of Chimney Rock when the weather gets cold and wet. Hopefully all this hard work pays off, so many thanks!
 
I'm now somewhat obsessed with grooming the Shed Trail properly. Spent 2.5 hours out there again tonight. I did ride it a few times and it needs to a) be finished top to bottom, b) to be ridden, and c) rain. I'll take care of A as quickly as I can. I ask all y'all to do B. And if anyone knows a good rain dance, I'll leave C to you.

It'll be a bit but it's coming along. I think there will be some tweaks as it firms up and rides in. Don't love the entrance so much as-is. I have ideas.

I had 2 interactions with bikers tonight and they were both extremely positive about what we have going on over here. I may head out again tomorrow morning.

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Norm said:
I'm now somewhat obsessed with grooming the Shed Trail properly. Spent 2.5 hours out there again tonight. I did ride it a few times and it needs to a) be finished top to bottom, b) to be ridden, and c) rain. I'll take care of A as quickly as I can. I ask all y'all to do B. And if anyone knows a good rain dance, I'll leave C to you.

It'll be a bit but it's coming along. I think there will be some tweaks as it firms up and rides in. Don't love the entrance so much as-is. I have ideas.

I had 2 interactions with bikers tonight and they were both extremely positive about what we have going on over here. I may head out again tomorrow morning.

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One of the interactive bikers here.. 🙂 as I mentioned on the trail - THANK YOU and @Kirt and @jdog and anyone else who’s putting in this work. It’s just awesome. I ride it regularly and I’m blown away by the changes and progress.
This new section is great and I can’t wait to see all of the other things you’ve got planned come to life.
 

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Anyone have a gpx file or route that they can share. I am going to attempt to go there tomorrow afternoon.

Edit: Also, are we allowed to park in the parking lot with basketball courts off Vosseller Ave?
 
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dvaidya said:
Anyone have a gpx file or route that they can share. I am going to attempt to go there tomorrow afternoon.

Edit: Also, are we allowed to park in the parking lot with basketball courts off Vosseller Ave?
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I'm thinking to go on Sunday if interested. Not sure where those courts are, can you post a pin?
 
This may need some serious tuning once we see some rain, but for now let's get some tires on it.

The hardest part for me is envisioning how fast (or slow) you will actually go once the dirt packs in.
 
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