Cars, it's electric! Do Do Do

Mahnken said:
There's no conditioning. It's literally just not an inconvenience. I have two young kids and a dog and do grocery shopping 😂. I've never once had to say, "ugh, gotta plug the car in." Because it's just a nothing burger. And you don't have to plug in everytime. You make it sound like your chained to the charger. We've gone months not plugging in at home and only while my wife works. We just moved and it took me a couple months to put the charger up (sure, that was an hour of inconvenience), and honestly didn't notice any difference. My wife plugged in at work, kept us charged up and ready to go, for free. I get there's not a lot of people that can charge for free at work, but for me, that convenience is there. And financially, the model y made a ton of sense. Of course, we got it when it was a lot cheaper, and my odyssey was cheaper, but the cost of gas and maintenance is quickly negating any financial burden of the EV's initial cost. And the Tesla is just a much more enjoyable driving experience. It would take a lot to get me to ever buy another ice car.
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Well it should be stated that a model Y starts at $60,000.....Like this is batshit crazy to me to spend on a family car to drive my child around in/put my bikes on. If thats your budget tho, im not judging you. For me tho, it makes 0 economic sense.....175,000 miles on my car and even if I said $3 a gallon, the fuel costs + cars cost new arent even HALF way there.....

Someday when I can get something like that ford maverick for 30k or so thats electric....im game for an electric car. I think there is alot to like about them and I believe they will continue to improve
 
JimN said:
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Those flying cars are gonna need to be charged too 😛
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I dismissed your replies when you said 2-3 minutes to fill your car.
I'll give you 10 gpm at the better pumps ( @Ryan.P ?) - leaving 1-2 minutes for overhead,
from the time you slow down from 40mph, until the time you get back up to it......
at least you never stop to get the car washed. 😀
 
BTW, I'm not against EVs and I'm certainly not telling people not to buy them. In fact, I'm glad that the early adopters are buying them and helping to fund further development of EVs to get them to the point where it would make sense for me to buy one. Not that I'm looking forward to that point but I do recognize that EVs are the future, just not the present... for me. Also, I'm still not convinced that some kind of transmission in EVs isn't a good idea. As far as I know all EVs are direct drive. I don't see why there can't be a "cruising gear" to help with highway driving efficiency... but I digress.
 
UtahJoe said:
Well it should be stated that a model Y starts at $60,000.....Like this is batshit crazy to me to spend on a family car to drive my child around in/put my bikes on. If thats your budget tho, im not judging you. For me tho, it makes 0 economic sense.....175,000 miles on my car and even if I said $3 a gallon, the fuel costs + cars cost new arent even HALF way there.....

Someday when I can get something like that ford maverick for 30k or so thats electric....im game for an electric car. I think there is alot to like about them and I believe they will continue to improve
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We got our Model 3 when it was one of the few vehicles available, and certainly less than the "dealer mark ups" we were seeing when something was available from Acura and others.
It is a pleasure to drive, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy a ride in a Porsche or Mustang that friend's own, and they enjoy the acceleration of the Model 3.
I agree that electric should not be pushed on people. You should not have to convince someone on what fits their lifestyle. I think the California mandate is nuts, given their power issues.
One thing about Tesla, they do not advertise. No commercials pushing their product is a good thing. Let people think for themselves on what they want.
(I will admit that I am for helmet laws on motorcycles)
 
tonyride said:
don't see why there can't be a "cruising gear" to help with highway driving efficiency... but I digress.
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it takes the same amount of energy - rpm does not make a difference given the same resistance.

an ICE engine is given a mechanical advantage at lower speed (rpm), because all of its torque is not available -
with electric, it is all available, almost instantaneously.
 
tonyride said:
BTW, I'm not against EVs and I'm certainly not telling people not to buy them. In fact, I'm glad that the early adopters are buying them and helping to fund further development of EVs to get them to the point where it would make sense for me to buy one. Not that I'm looking forward to that point but I do recognize that EVs are the future, just not the present... for me. Also, I'm still not convinced that some kind of transmission in EVs isn't a good idea. As far as I know all EVs are direct drive. I don't see why there can't be a "cruising gear" to help with highway driving efficiency... but I digress.
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the power draw from an electric motor is based on LOAD not engine speed sooooooo what would it help with?
 
UtahJoe said:
Well it should be stated that a model Y starts at $60,000.....Like this is batshit crazy to me to spend on a family car to drive my child around in/put my bikes on. If thats your budget tho, im not judging you. For me tho, it makes 0 economic sense.....175,000 miles on my car and even if I said $3 a gallon, the fuel costs + cars cost new arent even HALF way there.....

Someday when I can get something like that ford maverick for 30k or so thats electric....im game for an electric car. I think there is alot to like about them and I believe they will continue to improve
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Yea, they were $51k when we bought it. Subtracting the $5k that NJ sent us and the $3k we didn't have to pay for taxes basically brings that to $43k starting price. Add in not paying for gas (most charging is free at work. We've got 33k miles on it, maybe charging 10 percent at home and 1 percent at superchargers), in the long run it'll more than pay for the higher sticker price.
 
tonyride said:
Don't EVs peter out once they reach a certain speed?
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they are software limited at this level of motor.
at some point they would melt or exceed the load on the bearings.

that is why they have weird quarter mile numbers.
explosive acceleration, with limited top speed.
they could make them faster, top speed wise, by adding a transmission,
which would just add weight in normal operating conditions.

Model Y will pull all the way to 155mph -
as an aside, many mercedes have 155mph speed limiter.
 
tonyride said:
Also, I'm still not convinced that some kind of transmission in EVs isn't a good idea. As far as I know all EVs are direct drive. I don't see why there can't be a "cruising gear" to help with highway driving efficiency... but I digress.
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It’s my understanding that Teslas with a dual motor optimize 1 motor for lower speed and the second motor for highway speed. Power routed accordingly based on the situation, achieving efficiency w/o the trans.
 
Bike N Gear said:
I'd still like to know how this is going to work in cities where you have hundreds of thousands of residents with cars but no driveway, nevermind an actual garage.
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This is my wife's cousin's exact situation. Apparently they drive down to the bar that has chargers and do it there. I guess they frequent it enough to may it work. Seems strange to have hedged your bet on such a strange high-cost, low-convenience arrangement but whatever.
 
Bike N Gear said:
I'd still like to know how this is going to work in cities where you have hundreds of thousands of residents with cars but no driveway, nevermind an actual garage.
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in theory charging stations are integrated into parking meters, you plug in and it charges you for your juice and time spent parking in one shot. The infrastructure to implement this is not insignificant tho. . . . . (neither is the load this would place on the grid)
 
shrpshtr325 said:
in theory charging stations are integrated into parking meters, you plug in and it charges you for your juice and time spent parking in one shot. The infrastructure to implement this is not insignificant tho. . . . . (neither is the load this would place on the grid)
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Most of the cities I've been to recently no longer use parking meters. Just one or two boxes per block to pay via CC.
 
JonF said:
This is my wife's cousin's exact situation. Apparently they drive down to the bar that has chargers and do it there. I guess they frequent it enough to may it work. Seems strange to have hedged your bet on such a strange high-cost, low-convenience arrangement but whatever.
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So if your battery is almost empty, you're pretty much guaranteed a DWI on the way home.
 
Bike N Gear said:
Most of the cities I've been to recently no longer use parking meters. Just one or two boxes per block to pay via CC.
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infrastructure would need to adapt, but this is the only way i see for city dwellers to be able to adopt electrics, (i mean you could do the same in parking garages, one charger per space, they lock to the car till you pay)
 
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