tonyride
Don't piss off the red guy
Great. More power to you and I'm not even going to ask how an EV is more convenient than an ICE vehicle. Just don't force me to get one like what many states want to do.
Cars, it's electric! Do Do Do
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The Kalmyk
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All valid points Pat though you are kinda boiling the ocean here. Lets stick our flag on EV’s for purposes of focus. And, the marketing behind lights and draws bridges is tiny in comparison... if at all.
The message has been all positive about going electric for the most part without examining negative implications. The speed to which its happening isnt allowing appropriate human adjustment. This to me is the salient issue.
So do you believe shutting people down in states from selling gas cars is ok? What are the environmental impacts of batteries since its a hard position the advocates have taken against gas cars?
The people who blindly follow don’t ask these questions because it doesn't impact “me” and because it HAS TO BE better than the alternative. And that is exactly the path to non beneficial adherence
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one piece crank
1pc Cranky
I always own at least one vehicle as old as me. So, I can enjoy new tech daily vehicles, but still have a low-tech vehicle to sneak around (does double duty as a bug-out vehicle, and yes, I can drive it on RR tracks). 😉
JerseyPete
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And is it diesel?
one piece crank
1pc Cranky
No, diesel is too loud for proper sneaking. But it has a generator instead of an alternator, and a hand crank too.
JPark
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I guess "filling the tank" -charging at home would be awesome and convenient (if you have a driveway).
Having to charge away from home is the EVs Achilles heal. Even the fast chargers are still 30 minutes.
New - i have no problem with a phase-out plan.
Existing - well that doesn't seem fair - are they blocking the selling of used ICE cars?
Now, lets follow the money for a bit.
Automakers claiming they'll be all-electric by 20XX - do you think that is because the margins will be lower or higher?
unless an electric motor starts on fire, it is a block of reusable parts - an ICE motor is a bunch of consumable parts (yes, recyclable - but reuse is cheaper than recycle)
performance will be software driven, not displacement or boost. Most luxury will be subscription based. ie adaptive cruise vs std - although i'd bet
insurance companies subsidize automatic emergency braking. The BMW directional subscription might have zero takers.
"They" optimized the recycling of lead-acid batteries way back - crush them, and the lead sinks, the plastic floats, the acid is neutralized and water soluble.
I suspect the same thing will happen. Someone will figure out how to manufacture the battery for safety in use and recycling.
As mentioned, I think the future of cars is much different than our current use.
Might not even own one. Probably won't have to drive one even if ya do.
beyond not having to "stop what you are doing" to get gas...
chargers will be put in places so charging happens while you are doing something else (ie shopping, eating lunch on long trip) so it won't be an inconvenient linear thing.
oil changes, brakes, transmission in EV favor..
tires favor ICE - probably the suspension bearing systems too? - because of weight -
car built on batteries, doesn't need to be "running" to operate systems - ie, warm/cool car in garage with door closed.
I've got alexa opening my garage door and starting my truck right now. It could have been heating off house power if EV.
My next april fools joke beyond the nukEbike (think tony stark) is the paddle wheel charger for an EV - using the regenerative braking system,
the car would be parked in special spots next to a river/culvert where a paddlewheel would drive the wheels and make the juice....just not in california.
(i may need to present this at the next eWTF conference)
tonyride
Don't piss off the red guy
See, I don't even see charging at home as a convenience compared to filling up at a gas station. A single stop at a gas station is good for a week or more and my car is unavailable for the 5 minutes it takes to fill it up. If I'm charging at home I'll need to charge it more than once a week and would be unavailable for literally hours each time. When I need gas I can get it within minutes no matter where I am. With charging at home I'll have to calculate my trips and arrange my schedule to consider for hours of down time while my EV is charging. Not convenient.
tonyride
Don't piss off the red guy
Fast charging degrades the batteries sooner but that's not available at home anyway, even with 240V conversion. As you mentioned, this is assuming you have a garage or a driveway that allows you to install a home charger.
THATmanMANNY
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remember we have bikes and several to use for the apocalypse
one piece crank
1pc Cranky
I've read this a few times and always scratch my head. How much time do you have to spend gassing up to put that to writing? I mean, really - pull in, pump (NJ they pump for you), pay and bye-bye - 8 minutes if you check your messages. Don't go to Costco at lunch or weekend mornings...
one piece crank
1pc Cranky
Yes, and I have an apocalyptic bike carrier too.
The Kalmyk
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Man you highlight zero negative implications. So all net gains and all positive in one direction. I cant find union in that what so ever.
Edit: the advantages you mention are absolutely acknowledged👊🏻
Mahnken
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You are thinking way too much into this. You just plug the car in when you get home, unplug it when you leave. Unless you're driving more than 200+ miles a day, you won't need to stop at a charger away from home and your car will be fully charged every morning. I still have an ice car and absolutely hate stopping at the gas station.
I'm not anti-EV, but I also don't get the "save time at the pump" argument. I pass at least one gas station on the way in/out of my neighborhood, and stopping for gas takes 2-3 minutes. If you add up the time plugging in and unplugging your EV every time you go somewhere, it's probably an equivalent amount of time "wasted" per month.
Mahnken
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2-3 minutes? Maybe if theres no one else there and you're only getting $10 of gas 🤣
Plugging in at home literally takes seconds. You park, get out of the car, walk towards house, grab the cord from the wall, plug it in, and continue into house.
Sure, some people don't have a garage or a driveway, and owning an ev would surely be more inconvenient for them.
Also, my wife charges the car for free at work most days, so the costs of ownership is significantly reduced.
And we didn't have to pay sales tax on the car, and got a $5k rebate for being in NJ. So essentially, this car is way cheaper than my base model Odyssey.
my charging cycle would be something like this.
Level 2 charger - the same plug as a clothes dryer, no highly specialized install - average 30/miles per hour-of-charge.
if the car can accept the full 30 amp rate could be higher (also lower for some)
if only filling the car with gas once a week, probably only need an hour+ of charger per day to keep it at 80% -
it is electronic, so will stop at the prescribed charge. so say 300 mile range on 100% charge, i'd always have 240 in the morning.
On a day where i'm going to go farther than 240, i'd have it (ask Alexa?) bump up to 100%, and plan the trip accordingly - my bladder can't possibly go that far anyway.
Sure, plugging/unplugging the car every day is a behavior change/hassle. I've also had my credit card skimmed at various pumps around the country,
so i'll claim it averages out.
I claimed that they will figure out lithium recycling - do you think they won't?
It's like a big pile of money for the taking (same with plastic)
I also claimed it was big business driving it, not environmentalists (they are using the argument to their advantage tho)
why is lithium mining more of a negative than leaking oil wells at the bottom of the ocean? (see surety bonds for decommissioned wells.)
I can tell you - satellite photography. remember the burning oil wells post war in the middle east, and the push by everyone to put them out?
(did business drive it, or public outcry at the env impact ??????? hint: wrote them a check to put it out to get them producing again)
Or is it that the USA doesn't have any significant amount of lithium - but we are friendly with Chili and Australia.
Electricity production can be green, or cheap with our nuke, NG, Propane, or Oil. We always have coal back-up
in case a war shuts down the oil. So during a gas crisis, there will still be electricity.
Although fracking will be turned-on above $100/bbl, so short term.
Your big negative is someone taking away your freedom of choice??
Doesn't bother me a bit, so I can't even address it -
Didn't they tell you what kind of oil you are allowed to use to make fries?
What straw, what wrapper? remember the PS clam shells?
i'm still bothered by people complaining because they will suddenly have to claim income which has been tax free (or fill out a form)
ie - someone asks me for a discount for cash, I tell them no, cause i'm still claiming the income, and charging them sales tax.
I've never made an illegitimate insurance claim - either by inflating damage, or altering a story.
ie - someone asks me for a discount for cash, I tell them no, cause i'm still claiming the income, and charging them sales tax.
I've never made an illegitimate insurance claim - either by inflating damage, or altering a story.
Where are you getting gas in the apocalypse? I saw mad max - I can always make electricity - probably with a bicycle....
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I'd still like to know how this is going to work in cities where you have hundreds of thousands of residents with cars but no driveway, nevermind an actual garage.
I have a 10 gallon tank, so I'm usually getting 8-9 gallons. If there's more than one car at the gas station then I usually either try the next one or get it on the way home.
Seconds every day adds up to minutes over the course of the month.
Regardless, I never "miss out" on anything because I was at a gas station for a few minutes. My next car might be electric, and my next next car most surely will be, but I won't be doing it to save time at the pump.