What did I just read? To be honest Pat @fidodie and I say this with all love, I think you have led to some of the falling out of this site. While I think you mean well, you may go too far sometimes with the demasculization. It has taken some (a lot) of the fun away. While it is noble you try to include everyone I think a bi-product has been the isolating and punishing of the sites base audience/participants. And while people may complain to @Norm many who remember me from the site years ago have asked “what the f**** is going on with the site”
While I think you (@fidodie) mean well it tends to be your way or the highway. You may be a bit too invested. Do you have site ownership now? Maybe that would be a different story.
@Norm, all love. Thank you for the kind words. While I do not always see eye to eye with you I respect you and what you have created (and continue to maintain) I also understand we all live different lives outside of the bikes. I can be a douche, but I am dead honest, I will not talk behind anyone’s back (I will say it to your face (and be more than happy to post it here) and am more than willing to throw money, time or sweat labor to whatever this community needs.
is this stemming from the back-and-forth you were having with @mattybfat, when the OP requested that his thread be closed?
you two could go at it all day, it was the venue, not the fight. in hindsight, i probably shouldn't have made the last post in that thread,
as that was judgment - when executing the wishes of the OP. my bad on that one.
And i specifically listen to what you say, and not the baiting tone (you called it being a douche, which is misogynistic, that term is depricated.)
Stated my case with BIYF, saw that the name meant something to many people, and deferred.
I found the digs in the other threads humorous, and i have been playing along, cause yeah. they are micro-aggressive in the new terms, but i'm not thin skinned.
i didn't complain, if that is on the table. Norm and I did chat about it tho.
Apparently, others don't see it that way. If the number of complaints are rising, and that is the only measuring stick, then there is reason for @Norm to investigate - no need to speak for him.
what is intolerable is anything that is degrading to a class of people. Or attacks a specific person that is doing the best they can to satisfy a group of people
(say a race organizer that has to choose a date or class start time or length of race) - That is the point, state disapproval to the person. just like you just did to me. #respect
what the site was, is not relevant. If it will exist into the future, the question is, what will the site become?
I have no ownership - no benefit other than being part of the community. I can close/open/edit posts & threads. Also have access to the underlying stuff.
I have altered only a couple tag lines of people with whom i ride. never at someone's request for another...
on the other call-out here, do people think @Norm makes $$ from the site? or team mtbnj.com?
I don't think it is unreasonable to lay it out. My understanding is that is it was @bonefishjake's baby a long time ago.