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Our testing capability is quite lacking. Called my walk in clinic which is a big affiliation and results wouldn’t be back till 11 days. Need a test for a family member coming in from Nevada, who will just quarantine, anyway. Doesn’t help that he’s going to a home with two elderly parents.
I know this has been a topic of the tests being reliable and not properly handled, etc.
What is being done so testing those who need it and quickly?
I think most of the hospitals have results in a couple hours. We test everyone that comes into the operating room, have to have a negative result within the last 3 days. I have no idea what the fastest results would be outside of a hospital.
 
Our testing capability is quite lacking. Called my walk in clinic which is a big affiliation and results wouldn’t be back till 11 days. Need a test for a family member coming in from Nevada, who will just quarantine, anyway. Doesn’t help that he’s going to a home with two elderly parents.
I know this has been a topic of the tests being reliable and not properly handled, etc.
What is being done so testing those who need it and quickly?

yeah I tried a cvs questionaire, don't even qualify. and being a FL resident seems to be a problem with state. county testing sites.
 
I think most of the hospitals have results in a couple hours. We test everyone that comes into the operating room, have to have a negative result within the last 3 days. I have no idea what the fastest results would be outside of a hospital.
I have a minor out-patient procedure on Friday and they require a test on Saturday - 6 days out. I had to go to an affiliate of the surgery center, where they were only servicing patients on the schedule. The assistant claimed that "12 out of 12" patients who insisted on doing their own thing did not get results back in time. I should have results today.
 
Seems to be taking out 1% of the positives in California.
scale that by your favorite undiagnosed number.

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Seems to be taking out 1% of the positives in California.
scale that by your favorite undiagnosed number.

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So death rate down to about 0.1% in CA? Possible.

I am moving closer to believing that herd immunity is a much lower threshold than previously described at 60-70%. It's basically over in Sweden. If you look at country and state case/day graphs, there are two typical shapes - either a very large peak early in Mar/April, then slowing declining to very low levels (like Italy, France, Spain and northern US states like NY, NJ, MA, PA, IL, or a small bump in Mar, Apr, followed by a much larger peak in June/July. Since everyone basically shut down at the same time, the places hit first, it was too late and hit herd immunity early. The other countries/states just delayed the peak by shutting down. Once reopened, there were plenty of susceptible people around to reignite the fire. Most of the southern states seem to have stopped new case growth and are on the decline. Another month of data should confirm one way or the other.

Anywho, in other news, sign up for a vaccine trial - my hat is in the ring

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daniel...ne-trial-in-less-than-two-weeks/#1b1e70ba2e87
 
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So death rate down to about 0.1% in CA? Possible.

I am moving closer to believing that herd immunity is a much lower threshold than previously described at 60-70%. It's basically over in Sweden. If you look at country and state case/day graphs, there are two typical shapes - either a very large peak early in Mar/April, then slowing declining to very low levels (like Italy, France, Spain and northern US states like NY, NJ, MA, PA, IL, or a small bump in Mar, Apr, followed by a much larger peak in June/July. Since everyone basically shut down at the same time, the places hit first, it was too late and hit herd immunity early. The other countries/states just delayed the peak by shutting down. Once reopened, there were plenty of susceptible people around to reignite the fire. Most of the southern states seem to have stopped new case growth and are on the decline. Another month of data should confirm one way or the other.

Anywho, in other news, sign up for a vaccine trial - my hat is in the ring

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daniel...ne-trial-in-less-than-two-weeks/#1b1e70ba2e87

that's a very optimistic theory - don't think its supported by science though. Couldn't there be other factors causing those graph shapes, like maybe the states and countries that were hit harder have more cautious populations as a result of their experience?
 
that's a very optimistic theory - don't think its supported by science though. Couldn't there be other factors causing those graph shapes, like maybe the states and countries that were hit harder have more cautious populations as a result of their experience?

Science? There are several studies showing much higher incidence of T cell immunity than antibodies. How do you explain Sweden?
 
So death rate down to about 0.1% in CA? Possible.

I am moving closer to believing that herd immunity is a much lower threshold than previously described at 60-70%. It's basically over in Sweden. If you look at country and state case/day graphs, there are two typical shapes - either a very large peak early in Mar/April, then slowing declining to very low levels (like Italy, France, Spain and northern US states like NY, NJ, MA, PA, IL, or a small bump in Mar, Apr, followed by a much larger peak in June/July. Since everyone basically shut down at the same time, the places hit first, it was too late and hit herd immunity early. The other countries/states just delayed the peak by shutting down. Once reopened, there were plenty of susceptible people around to reignite the fire. Most of the southern states seem to have stopped new case growth and are on the decline. Another month of data should confirm one way or the other.

Anywho, in other news, sign up for a vaccine trial - my hat is in the ring

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daniel...ne-trial-in-less-than-two-weeks/#1b1e70ba2e87

This comes back to the fact that unless you have a vaccine the area under the curve is the same even if the peaks and width are different. Pain now, or pain later.
 
I am moving closer to believing that herd immunity is a much lower threshold than previously described at 60-70%. It's basically over in Sweden.

In looking at cases/million people, I don't get how this is working. My number was ~20k cases/million as the Saturation Point (tm) but then Sweden is ~7k.

Louisiana has just reached this 20k line and is not remotely close to slowing down (it seems). Same with Arizona.

Just throwing shit on the wall. I have no opinion here. The data is inconsistent to me.
 
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that's a very optimistic theory - don't think its supported by science though. Couldn't there be other factors causing those graph shapes, like maybe the states and countries that were hit harder have more cautious populations as a result of their experience?

the curve is called a sigmoid -
think of the intensity of a fire, you kinda get is going, it smolders, catches, gets rocking, then exhausts its fuel -
the fuel being highly susceptible people who have symptoms.

i'm just a numbers guy, and the early assumptions were that everyone could get it, and everyone could spread it.
so there was plenty of fuel for the fire, and enough O2 to keep it burning until. I was full in on these assumptions,
and it translated to some rather dire outcomes.

This might not be the case -
if i'm understanding this in my non-virologist mind, T cell doesn't mean you can't catch it, just that it will be recognized earlier,
preventing full expression and a full on cytokine response (paging @Captain Brainstorm - am i in the neighborhood)

It changes the math in that the fuel available is more quickly consumed - this does not mean the behavioral changes haven't made
the biggest difference.

to Steve's point, does this have to happen in each population center? just because that is where the fuel is?
And instead of it all happening in parallel, it is spread out until quarantine fatigue becomes too much, and boom.

Washington State does not support the theory, unless the population centers being hit are different.
(or the arizona people are home for the summer)

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In looking at cases/million people, I don't get how this is working. My number was ~20k cases/million as the Saturation Point (tm) but then Sweden is ~7k.

Louisiana has just reached this 20k line and is not remotely close to slowing down (it seems). Same with Arizona.

Just throwing shit on the wall. I have no opinion here. The data is inconsistent to me.

Sweden conspiracy theory. Ya gotta be hospitalized to be tested. You have to be tested before you can die of it.
or if the florida/tx/cali curves start looking like sweden, maybe they get a break?
 
In looking at cases/million people, I don't get how this is working. My number was ~20k cases/million as the Saturation Point (tm) but then Sweden is ~7k.

Louisiana has just reached this 20k line and is not remotely close to slowing down (it seems). Same with Arizona.

Just throwing shit on the wall. I have no opinion here. The data is inconsistent to me.

Cases/million only tells you how many have been tested positive for active infection, not total infected. Most studies show the real number is closer to 10 times the diagnosed infections.

I've been following FL the closest. When they first started reporting antibody data 2 months ago, the state was testing 4% positive. Latest data set reported today is over 11% positive.
 
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Come on, man, you seriously think Sweden is hiding thousands of covud deaths in mass graves? Germany believes their data - that's good enough for me:

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-germany-lifts-travel-ban-on-sweden/a-54165757

yes


Cool - so the T-cell (think terminator ?)
cause i can't figure on the B-cell thing, where Hawk grabs on, and the Animal comes off the ropes to finish it?
Although the Hart Foundation was more entertaining.

i'll stick with math.....
 
Oh so the math that said Sweden's health care system would have collapsed by now? Or is the answer that it did, but they are somehow hiding it from the world??

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It may have collapsed if they didn't start increasing their infrastructure before even having their first case. They more than double their ICU capacity, and they needed it. So at least they planned for it. We didn't plan anything until we were half way to our peak, lol.
 
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