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Pearl
THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING
I'm kind of anal about detail and accuracy of these powermeters... had a random rain shower ruin my outside ride so I decided to sync my stages to my garmin, and ERG my kickr with the app and record that. This was a super steady 90 minute spin, no surging at all.
the results:
stages: 182 normalized, 178 average.
Wahoo: 204 normalized, 200 average.
Does anyone else experience this? is it ERG mode drama? How do you deal with this indoors and outdoors? someone make this make sense to me
the results:
stages: 182 normalized, 178 average.
Wahoo: 204 normalized, 200 average.
Does anyone else experience this? is it ERG mode drama? How do you deal with this indoors and outdoors? someone make this make sense to me
Can't you just have your trainer use the power from the Stages vs trainer internal power meter? I don't know what platform your using but TrainerRoad does this.
Did you calibrate both before?
Typically the cassette based power is lower than the crank based due to efficiency loss but that obviously didn't happen here. I try not to worry about it much, pick a power meter and use it for everything. Power matching on TrainerRoad is fantastic for this.
It's pretty fantastic piece of hardware. Very quiet...it just works.
Pearl
THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING
I do and have, but this is just using garmin on the bars and wahoo just to see what the difference is.
I did not, but I don’t see too much of a difference with the stages on a daily basis.
I’ve done the power match for TrainerRoad but I usually feel like it reads high. Or I just suck at riding indoors, idk.
Since the stages is what you'll use outdoors/racing I'd go off that number either way. I still need to throw my power pedals on my XC bike and compare trainer power to crank power to pedal power and see what the difference is.
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When was the last time you did a spindown on this?
Pearl
THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING
Ummmmmm over a year id say. It had cobwebs all over it lol
They say to do this like every few weeks. Not that I do. Or any time you take the bike off and put it back on. Or on Thursdays. So there you go.
Pearl
THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING
But you think you’d ever get a 20w swing out of this?
+20? No never. If anything it seems to drift down maybe.
Back in the day my Stages used to often read high.
So basically everything I’ve experienced is the total opposite of what you see.
Steve Vai
Endurance Guy: Tolerates most of us.
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Interested becuase they have Virtual Track races, including Pursuits, which I really need to work on through the winter.
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Interested becuase they have Virtual Track races, including Pursuits, which I really need to work on through the winter.
Pearl
THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING
Anyone have this?
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Interested becuase they have Virtual Track races, including Pursuits, which I really need to work on through the winter.
I’d pay to watch the cycling god Jim Vreeland doing an indoor virtual training race
So I did a spin down and it’s not as dramatic as before, which means I’m not as strong as I thought I was 🙁
Steve Vai
Endurance Guy: Tolerates most of us.
I’m not sure I have the patience to set it up. Might just end up doing the one TT DVD I own by Carmichael. Not sure if I can modify that plan to a fixed gear, but the traditional step interval sessions really work wonders for me when I actually do them. Which I don’t.
JonF
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Picked up some Zwift Play controllers to try out virtual shifting and so far i like it. It has some pros and cons but overall its a pretty good implementation and can easily supplant trying to adapt and use all existing drivetrains. Some thoughts after a couple sessions...
Has 24 gears which, although my own bike also technically has 24 gears, is too many to sequentially roll though for normal riding. My gravel rig has a 2x12 but sram sequential mode eliminates the redundant ones in the middle thus making it only like 15-16 gears--plenty of spread to access the overall high to low.
Needs a way to simulate dropping a front ring for a fast downshift on a climb.
Virtual ratio spread is much larger than even my own 2x setup so hopefully i wont spin out as much. Still have to try a big descent.
Maybe add an audible que for a shift. There is a gear indicator on screen now, but riding a bike is a very feedback oriented process and, other than the perceived effort slightly changing, its a very transparent shift.
Play Shifter Buttons are close to, and positioned similar to normal shifters but are very small.
The small Zwift Click button (which i dont have) is a simple +/- rocker which doesn't simulate any normal shifting mechanism. I get that its an inexpensive way to enable virtual shifting, however, something like Sram blips where you have 2 would mean folks could attach them near the existing brifters for a more natural experience. I suppose this is where Play controllers come in. Edit - i think the Click makes more sense for MTB applications since it it more analogous to the 1x shifter we commonly use.
The One single speed freehub is Incompatible with some far outliers like Ekar 13sp but also SRam 12sp flat top which is a big miss. I believe its mostly due to the larger rollers Sram chains use but they couldn't have accomodated for a few mil difference? I already have a spare cassette so didnt affect me but still it seems like a miss.
Dont have to charge my axs batts anymore just for the trainer.
If they had the ability to pair with existing AXS controllers, that would be insanely awesome. Doubt that would ever be supported though.
Maybe add some ability to reset to a certain gear if you come to a stop for effortless takeoff. Sure its easier to shift now, but its software, you can do anything.
Automatic shifting? Like ERG, but for racing. Target a certain wattage and let it do the shifting. The new 10Hz mode means it could be very responsive and adaptable.
Has 24 gears which, although my own bike also technically has 24 gears, is too many to sequentially roll though for normal riding. My gravel rig has a 2x12 but sram sequential mode eliminates the redundant ones in the middle thus making it only like 15-16 gears--plenty of spread to access the overall high to low.
Needs a way to simulate dropping a front ring for a fast downshift on a climb.
Virtual ratio spread is much larger than even my own 2x setup so hopefully i wont spin out as much. Still have to try a big descent.
Maybe add an audible que for a shift. There is a gear indicator on screen now, but riding a bike is a very feedback oriented process and, other than the perceived effort slightly changing, its a very transparent shift.
Play Shifter Buttons are close to, and positioned similar to normal shifters but are very small.
The small Zwift Click button (which i dont have) is a simple +/- rocker which doesn't simulate any normal shifting mechanism. I get that its an inexpensive way to enable virtual shifting, however, something like Sram blips where you have 2 would mean folks could attach them near the existing brifters for a more natural experience. I suppose this is where Play controllers come in. Edit - i think the Click makes more sense for MTB applications since it it more analogous to the 1x shifter we commonly use.
The One single speed freehub is Incompatible with some far outliers like Ekar 13sp but also SRam 12sp flat top which is a big miss. I believe its mostly due to the larger rollers Sram chains use but they couldn't have accomodated for a few mil difference? I already have a spare cassette so didnt affect me but still it seems like a miss.
Dont have to charge my axs batts anymore just for the trainer.
If they had the ability to pair with existing AXS controllers, that would be insanely awesome. Doubt that would ever be supported though.
Maybe add some ability to reset to a certain gear if you come to a stop for effortless takeoff. Sure its easier to shift now, but its software, you can do anything.
Automatic shifting? Like ERG, but for racing. Target a certain wattage and let it do the shifting. The new 10Hz mode means it could be very responsive and adaptable.
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