Stephen's State Park Trail Directory

I would change most of the write up. Bobw is gone many upgrades and not so new anymore. I would do a write up but I lack those skills. Maybe @ReggieHammond can do something awesome.
 
Wiki updates coming! will get input from you two, and lothar....
 
The Kalmyk said:
I haven't been here in over 5years... Is a trail map available?
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@The Kalmyk . There's a good JORBA map, that looks similar in style to the JORBA maps for Allamuchy North and Deer Park.

Also I can't recommend highly enough the Maprika app. You can see your location on the Stephen's map while in the park.
 
I have been working to perfect my Stephens State Park loop and I wanted to share this one. I call it the Allamuchy SSP Figure 8 loop it has 2 nice descents. The 1st on the way out on the new white single track, the 2nd on the way back off blue at the chimney. Both descents end at the beginning of pink at the intersection of white.

https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/1869731683

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With all the recent talk about Rogue in the DP sub forum, I was curious if anybody could get Hally Toe added in a way that it can be used to map routes in Strava? It shows up in both TF and Strava, but cannot be selected when building a route (makes me pick Tally Ho).
 
Teutonic said:
With all the recent talk about Rogue in the DP sub forum, I was curious if anybody could get Hally Toe added in a way that it can be used to map routes in Strava? It shows up in both TF and Strava, but cannot be selected when building a route (makes me pick Tally Ho).
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weird - looks like the end is not snapped to meisterbburger (??)
Not sure where Strava sources that data
 
I would think a support ticket to Strava would be the best bet. AFAIK there is no community based edits for Strava like there is for Trailforks.

Patrick said:
weird - looks like the end is not snapped to meisterbburger (??)
Not sure where Strava sources that data
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Don’t get me started on snapping…it’s such a pain in the ass to use Trailforks for planning a route because a solid 50% of the trail endpoints are not snapped, or the lines are not broken at intersections. I’d love to teach that team about topology! That’s what happens when you let programmers solve a GIS problem.
 
rlb said:
I would think a support ticket to Strava would be the best bet. AFAIK there is no community based edits for Strava like there is for Trailforks.



Don’t get me started on snapping…it’s such a pain in the ass to use Trailforks for planning a route because a solid 50% of the trail endpoints are not snapped, or the lines are not broken at intersections. I’d love to teach that team about topology! That’s what happens when you let programmers solve a GIS problem.
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autosnap=on when I use trail forks. it is in the edit section somewhere....

it is user error, or a specification error, not a programming error......

signed,
programmer
😀
 
Patrick said:
autosnap=on when I use trail forks. it is in the edit section somewhere....

it is user error, or a specification error, not a programming error......
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I don’t have any TF editing rights so I can’t point to where it goes wrong. I’d love to check it out some day.

In reality the problem is somewhere in the middle of lacking specs and lacking domain expertise. I’m a firm believer that the people writing code should have some damn idea of the overall goal they’re trying to achieve, instead of just programming what they are being told to program. It’s not easy to write a specification on anything, let along a complex mathematical problem that needs to be solved by GUI inputs.

Maybe they shouldn’t have fired Tom.

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rlb said:
In reality the problem is somewhere in the middle of lacking specs and lacking domain expertise. I’m a firm believer that the people writing code should have some damn idea of the overall goal they’re trying to achieve, instead of just programming what they are being told to program. It’s not easy to write a specification on anything, let along a complex mathematical problem that needs to be solved by GUI inputs.
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Developers generally do not come cheap unless they are essentially robots who can only do exactly as told and can't think critically. Sadly, the majority of developers fall into this category.

Good developers definitely don't come cheap.

Good developers who can also communicate w/ the business/user side to understand needs and usage patterns and can design for said usage are extremely expensive. These are the least numerous hence the high price tag.

Most businesses would rather not pay for top-notch development at the expense of the bottom line.
 
rjr44 said:
Developers generally do not come cheap unless they are essentially robots who can only do exactly as told and can't think critically. Sadly, the majority of developers fall into this category.

Good developers definitely don't come cheap.

Good developers who can also communicate w/ the business/user side to understand needs and usage patterns and can design for said usage are extremely expensive. These are the least numerous hence the high price tag.

Most businesses would rather not pay for top-notch development at the expense of the bottom line.
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And now all of my toolbars have been replaced with ribbons and it takes me 5 clicks to do what used to take 1. I’ll keep my acoustic bike lol.
 
rlb said:
I would think a support ticket to Strava would be the best bet. AFAIK there is no community based edits for Strava like there is for Trailforks.
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This is the response I got from Strava when I asked last year:

"If this is a known maintained trail that is supported by the local department of land management, please feel free to contribute on OpenStreetMap to include this known trail in OpenStreetMap."
 
Teutonic said:
This is the response I got from Strava when I asked last year:

"If this is a known maintained trail that is supported by the local department of land management, please feel free to contribute on OpenStreetMap to include this known trail in OpenStreetMap."
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Ah, so they source their trails from OSM. I’ve made edits there before, can’t recall exactly what the process was but of course it’s documented somewhere in the OSM realm.
 
rlb said:
Ah, so they source their trails from OSM. I’ve made edits there before, can’t recall exactly what the process was but of course it’s documented somewhere in the OSM realm.
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TF forked OSM for their default base map. Updates to osm don't propagate there anymore.

So is there a Strava - rogue segment on a trail that doesn't 'exist' ?
 
Patrick said:
TF forked OSM for their default base map. Updates to osm don't propagate there anymore.

So is there a Strava - rogue segment on a trail that doesn't 'exist' ?
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I think the original question was about Strava routing and not TF. Considering the DP thread I’m gonna guess the Trailforks situation is a nightmare there. Strava is potentially fixable via an OSM update.
 
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