Moon Shadows are Evil
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i know toxic; just look at my liver. you're not toxic, you don't even drink.
“Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.”
“Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.”
mandi
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I used to think you're a dick, until I met you in person. You've pissed me off on more than one occasion, but 99% of the time I enjoy reading your posts. Sure, half of the time they are adding no value, but you could say that about the majority of regulars on this forum. I think you're an easy target because you push the limits, but I don't think the finger should only be pointed at you. At least you're consistent...
I am a woman, and I do not take any offense to the GIF you posted, or the penis outline Capers posted. We have a thread (I believe about Soccer?) where men have been posting half naked NSFW posted of women... if we're talking about offensive, it's not going to be two men using hand gestures in a GIF. I use that gesture all the time. With my hand... empty.
I am a woman, and I do not take any offense to the GIF you posted, or the penis outline Capers posted. We have a thread (I believe about Soccer?) where men have been posting half naked NSFW posted of women... if we're talking about offensive, it's not going to be two men using hand gestures in a GIF. I use that gesture all the time. With my hand... empty.
woody
Well-Known Member
Lol @ clarification
I had written something longer, but despite my occasional friction with stb222 this place is more fun with him. And he's pretty knowledgeable too.
FWIW, any non-forum interaction I've had with Kevin has been scrupulously fair on his end.
Meant to PM you Kevin but I passed that ring on already and thanks again.
FWIW, any non-forum interaction I've had with Kevin has been scrupulously fair on his end.
Meant to PM you Kevin but I passed that ring on already and thanks again.
I believe there is a small percentage of people who are entertained on and off by your posts and a small percentage who are offended on and off. By and large I think most people could care less.
Personally, I used to care about what you posted on about me (during the koc3 days). Sometimes I was entertained, sometimes I was offended, sometimes it was informational. Over time, I've gone over to the "could care less" camp and most of the time, I just skim over your posts. It probably has a bit to do with what you post, a bit to do with desensitization, a bit to do with what's going on in my life.
I must say though that during BIYF I was irked at least a few times by some of your posts. Yah I know it's your opinion that the rules sucked, but I don't need to be reminded first on an almost daily basis and then like every other week. I'm sure Pat was really happy to be reminded again and again how much his rules sucked.
If you keep pressing people's buttons, at some point, the person's gonna snap back or stop caring. If I observe the interactions between you and Norm, it's not just over this winter that things went south. It has been building over years.
It's one thing if you make fun of me while we are friends and having a a good time, but if I am already pissed at you and you take jabs at me and call me a douchebag, that is something completely different. Most of the people who are coming to your defense are not pissed at you. I'm pretty sure Norm is. I think you know this.
Personally, I used to care about what you posted on about me (during the koc3 days). Sometimes I was entertained, sometimes I was offended, sometimes it was informational. Over time, I've gone over to the "could care less" camp and most of the time, I just skim over your posts. It probably has a bit to do with what you post, a bit to do with desensitization, a bit to do with what's going on in my life.
I must say though that during BIYF I was irked at least a few times by some of your posts. Yah I know it's your opinion that the rules sucked, but I don't need to be reminded first on an almost daily basis and then like every other week. I'm sure Pat was really happy to be reminded again and again how much his rules sucked.
If you keep pressing people's buttons, at some point, the person's gonna snap back or stop caring. If I observe the interactions between you and Norm, it's not just over this winter that things went south. It has been building over years.
It's one thing if you make fun of me while we are friends and having a a good time, but if I am already pissed at you and you take jabs at me and call me a douchebag, that is something completely different. Most of the people who are coming to your defense are not pissed at you. I'm pretty sure Norm is. I think you know this.
You're a wealth of info and a good guy at the end of the day. Don't sweat it. (Coming from the next guy to get banned....)
Arwen's Mom
Mother of Dragons, Breaker of Chains
This is probably the smartest thing I have read on here for quite a while.
It is also how I feel about Kevin, and humans in general I think. I also want to add, close friends can call me a bitch, but someone I dont know personally in the same situation calls me a bitch and I may not like it. Not that being a bitch is a bad thing 😉
Why is Norm mad at Kevin anyway? I think I hold the trophy for being mad/offended at Kevin the most. After a while I figured he just doesnt know any better, but everyone should be given the room to change/grow/mature/learn/expand their horizons just a little. No matter how old or experienced a person is, there is always room for change. Then there is the perspectives issues. I think I have also been misunderstood/misjudged almost as much as Kevin. Some people think I am awesome, some think I am an opinionated loudmouthed bitch. Both are correct. Such is probably true of Kevin.
Kevin for president.
Don't care about anything in this thread after your HOH recap, but reading about how they put lindbergh in right at the end made me remember climbing montgomery from bottom to top 5 miles from the end of the rapha gentlemens race. That was not a fun way to end a ride with 12k feet or so of climbing. Gotta make it a point to do a few of these road rides next year...maybe
Don't care about anything in this thread after your HOH recap, but reading about how they put lindbergh in right at the end made me remember climbing montgomery from bottom to top 5 miles from the end of the rapha gentlemens race. That was not a fun way to end a ride with 12k feet or so of climbing. Gotta make it a point to do a few of these road rides next year...maybe
Well the lights are still on in this place so lets try to keep this sinking ship afloat.
Again, thanks for the support for a variety of different people. I was surprised by a few, but in the grand scheme of biking life, the thoughts from and internet dick are taking about as seriously as they are ment to be. I will address a few comments below:
Buttons, yes I can push buttons, like to push buttons. I like buttons. Without buttons my shirt right now would just be hanging wide open. Without buttons we would all have to wear elastic band pants and no one wants that, we need buttons. And yes, this has built over the years and I have pushed some buttons as of late but I don’t really think @Norm walks around being pissed at me and unless I am pushing multiple buttons in a close succession of days, he probably rarely thinks of 222.
So enough about that, something with better content other than whatever label someone gives me for the day.
Skate Mentality
Many know that I used to skate and was a product of following my brother around in the prime 80’s skate era that transitioned into the start of what street skating is today. While I still following skating and do a little bit here and there, I no longer consider myself a skater but I have taken so much from skating that has formed what my life is now and how I view things. It translated into riding street on bmx bikes, riding trials and changed how I see things every day. As I ride or drive down the street I constantly see things that I think would be good to skate or ride. I just can’t unsee it. I see a nice waxed ledge and why the majority of the public sees destruction ledge blackened by wax and wheel / grind marks, I see hours of fun and self-progression. Hours by yourself and your board, you being the only limit to what you can do. And all the while when it is just you and your board, it lends itself incredibly well to skating with other people, feeding off what they are doing and up’ing the limit of what you previously thought you would never do; progression. This relates to trail or road riding in some ways but if you are not as fast as the other people on bikes, the fun will be gone or you are left alone or the person you are riding with is easing up. When skating with someone else, this isn’t the case, I can skate with any pro skater and session whatever and we both get the same amount out of it. On a bike, it is different, to ride with someone the pace of the ride somewhat needs to be defined even if it is, I am going to just do my ride and if you keep up, great. Or maybe saying, I am going to stop and try to clean this section if I don’t make it the first time. Like one of the guys I used to ride BMX with was used to the “session” style of riding and we would stop and ride things until we cleaned it and he would say that the people he normally rides with would never do that. If you don’t define this someone is either going slower or faster than what they may have wanted. Hence why it is so difficult to find people to ride with one a regular basis whether you are training or not and why the majority of us ride by ourselves most of the time.
Again, thanks for the support for a variety of different people. I was surprised by a few, but in the grand scheme of biking life, the thoughts from and internet dick are taking about as seriously as they are ment to be. I will address a few comments below:
As always @soundz makes valid points as he is roughly 6 times smarter than myself. I think the first point I extracted relates to everyone, on a forum or in everyday life. There are different people that stand out to all of us and similarly ones that we pass by. There are people with training threads that I have never posted in or read once and knew it wasn’t for me. If this wasn’t the case, we would all be friends with everyone in all aspects of life, which we all know is basically impossible. Just within this site we have people who train, people who do not, people who only ever rode MTB’s and people who have ridden all kinds of bikes. Variety is the spice of life and let’s keep it that way even if it is sunshine and flowers all the time.
Buttons, yes I can push buttons, like to push buttons. I like buttons. Without buttons my shirt right now would just be hanging wide open. Without buttons we would all have to wear elastic band pants and no one wants that, we need buttons. And yes, this has built over the years and I have pushed some buttons as of late but I don’t really think @Norm walks around being pissed at me and unless I am pushing multiple buttons in a close succession of days, he probably rarely thinks of 222.
This is a good point in the sense that one can call out all sorts of things to people they know but even the smallest things are annoying from people you don’t. The internet is a weird place for interacting with people and while every now and then I take a shot as people I don’t know but I am not the scum that lives in the comment threads of anything posted online. Maybe just a notch above that but my stuff is typically not coming out of left field or completely off-base.
So enough about that, something with better content other than whatever label someone gives me for the day.
Skate Mentality
Many know that I used to skate and was a product of following my brother around in the prime 80’s skate era that transitioned into the start of what street skating is today. While I still following skating and do a little bit here and there, I no longer consider myself a skater but I have taken so much from skating that has formed what my life is now and how I view things. It translated into riding street on bmx bikes, riding trials and changed how I see things every day. As I ride or drive down the street I constantly see things that I think would be good to skate or ride. I just can’t unsee it. I see a nice waxed ledge and why the majority of the public sees destruction ledge blackened by wax and wheel / grind marks, I see hours of fun and self-progression. Hours by yourself and your board, you being the only limit to what you can do. And all the while when it is just you and your board, it lends itself incredibly well to skating with other people, feeding off what they are doing and up’ing the limit of what you previously thought you would never do; progression. This relates to trail or road riding in some ways but if you are not as fast as the other people on bikes, the fun will be gone or you are left alone or the person you are riding with is easing up. When skating with someone else, this isn’t the case, I can skate with any pro skater and session whatever and we both get the same amount out of it. On a bike, it is different, to ride with someone the pace of the ride somewhat needs to be defined even if it is, I am going to just do my ride and if you keep up, great. Or maybe saying, I am going to stop and try to clean this section if I don’t make it the first time. Like one of the guys I used to ride BMX with was used to the “session” style of riding and we would stop and ride things until we cleaned it and he would say that the people he normally rides with would never do that. If you don’t define this someone is either going slower or faster than what they may have wanted. Hence why it is so difficult to find people to ride with one a regular basis whether you are training or not and why the majority of us ride by ourselves most of the time.
The Kalmyk
Well-Known Member
Kev, not by choice but I'm a loner on the bike as well. I know you r notorious for solo riding but I'd go as far as saying I'm a very close second. I've committed to 2 races and a tour this year with the goal of simply taking in the group energy. Easy goal. Just show up.
Arwen's Mom
Mother of Dragons, Breaker of Chains
riding partners....hmmmm I have a nice bunch of people I ride with pretty regular. We all have our strong and weak points. Some of us are good climbers, some of us descend better. Some of us like logs, one of us HATES them. While we LOVE riding, we also have come to be friends and care about eachother, so when we ride we think about the other people in the group. Sometimes we go fast if everyone is up to it, but if someone doesnt feel so strong that day we all go slower, and no one feels "bad" about it in anyway. I guess its a form of sacrifice, but isnt that a part of caring about someone? Its like the JORBA rides. No one in the group feels bad about going slow for someone. If you dont want to wait for your riding partners that day, then by all means, ride by yourself. But if you agreed to ride with my group, and you dropped us, we would make fun of you and call you names, cause its rude to leave your buddies.
I am very strict about never leaving my wingman
Maybe I am just blessed with a wonderful group of riding buddies (you all know who you are) 😉
I am very strict about never leaving my wingman
Maybe I am just blessed with a wonderful group of riding buddies (you all know who you are) 😉
Arwen's Mom
Mother of Dragons, Breaker of Chains
oh and by the way Kevin, I dont think you are scum. And you can ride with me, but dont drop me or I may order a squirrel to throw a stick in your spokes.
Whoever it is that you ride with knows what they are getting into when they ride with that group. I am not saying it can't work, but as people grow it becomes harder as peoples goals change.
Arwen's Mom
Mother of Dragons, Breaker of Chains
Thats a very valid point, but then we actually will try to help each other achieve those goals.
The Kalmyk
Well-Known Member
I've been dropped on rides with the Halters crew at 6mile and with groups at CR. Those experiences were motivating rather than discouraging. Like Kevin pointed out, I knew what I was signing up for when I agreed to join in on the ride
i am bit surprised also considering his boy is prime now...
Few things said above but the 'being dropped' thing struck a chord with me. It's something I have been attempting to drum up in Norm's Steal thread, but it ain't coming out right.
Either way it is tough to ride when you are the slowest. Or were fast last year and are back a few rungs on the ladder and just can't hang. Or even worse, when have lost motivation to hang and end up saying screw it. And the worstest, having life take over and take the time you have to ride, so when you can't ride but you want to...
Anyway I'm sure you get it what I'm saying.
As for the street thing I know what you are saying. I see the things of my youth I won't do now. Same goes for rock climbing. "I could climb that" passes thru my head a lot.
Either way it is tough to ride when you are the slowest. Or were fast last year and are back a few rungs on the ladder and just can't hang. Or even worse, when have lost motivation to hang and end up saying screw it. And the worstest, having life take over and take the time you have to ride, so when you can't ride but you want to...
Anyway I'm sure you get it what I'm saying.
As for the street thing I know what you are saying. I see the things of my youth I won't do now. Same goes for rock climbing. "I could climb that" passes thru my head a lot.