Where did you get that correlation? I mean nothing in my post suggested I think USAC is the way to go.
The last line of the post is the point.
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Where did you get that correlation? I mean nothing in my post suggested I think USAC is the way to go.
The last line of the post is the point.
Speaking of NICA.....
There are over 400 kids registered to race this season in NJ. The first race isn't until April 8th.
There are over 400 kids registered to race this season in NJ. The first race isn't until April 8th.
Steve Vai
Endurance Guy: Tolerates most of us.
But making more candy corn doesn't make people start eating candy corn. People don't like candy corn.
My point is that I tried to get you guys into the series. Then we would have HB, MTBNJ, Black Bear on the same thought-pattern in terms of how we viewed USAC. But you guys never pushed the issue and Black Bear ran away. So the voices that could have banded together to effect change are now scattered.
Opinions are like assholes until you band together. Then you have a bunch of assholes.
Hold on, let me work on this metaphor.
too easy...
sorry.
sorry.
I dont think USAC has much to do with the reason numbers are down. H2H numbers have been trending down the last couple of years, and this is the first year every h2H race will be USAC. So....
Also, just about every cross race is USAC. And there's a million cross races.
Also, just about every cross race is USAC. And there's a million cross races.
Mountain Bike Mike
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Wuz thinking this exaclty...
Now if MASS, H2H and NICA work together to come up with a consolidate nonconflicting schedule, as NICA grows the potential for spill over from NICA to H2H and MASS is huge.... and these series will live on for as long as NICA can recruit and grow their #s. Loving what MTBNJ did with kids registration for short tracks - Bravo!!!
I still wish NICA was a fall season. I yxt’d Ken today saying he has my vote for tue 2019 NiCA season to be in the fall. The thought of teaching kids that trainers are the answer to prepare for Mountain biking because the weather and conditions suck in our region in winter and early spring makes me very sad. If anyone says a fall NICA season will impact CX, I will happily.....edit- do nothing offensive at all
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Punch in the throat because you can't reach the face?
Asking for a friend.
😛
Mountain Bike Mike
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Lol - for you (edit) no punching or offensive threat jokes at all ya bean pole
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There's the current issues and the future issues of registration numbers.
The one negative I see to the USAC costs is it may keep out the people who want to sign up for the Cat3 race just to give it a shot. If you can't suck in those new people you eventually won't have any racers in the faster categories. Unless I'm wrong and NICA just ends up feeding a lot of people into H2H.
I'd like to see H2H grow. Maybe hoping NICA #s translate over will work out in the long run.
I've mentioned in other posts about the costs is sometimes those minor costs are the deciding point. There's definitely cross races I've skipped (SuperCross/HPCX) because they were more $$ than I wanted to spend while I just got an AirBNB for a race weekend in May that's an 8 hour drive away. The additional cost was the straw that broke the camel's back for those races. Sure I can "afford" it.
It's maybe not the $75 for the license, it's the $10 on top of the day license. I'm thinking of the 25 year old making shit wages on their used mtb they bought of craigslist they've been having the time of their life on for the past 9 months. Maybe they want to delve into H2H but that extra $10 or race license is just enough to push them out.
I could be wrong. I'm not arguing for or against USAC. I'd like to see the sport and races grow, both as the people who don't know how to enjoy their bike for fun and just know how to crush it at races all the way down to the people who do 1 lap of Cat3 and are ready to pass out but love it.
Dave Taylor
Rex kwan Do
All time lol
Dave Taylor
Rex kwan Do
You got a problem with bean poles?
Mountain Bike Mike
Well-Known Member
As a matter of fact I do.. but you’re more of a tree trunk...
Pearl
THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING
this may be the first time i don't buy a license because i don't see myself doing enough cx races to justify it... strange feels.
the problem i see is you pay this $75 and for what? have i ever been in direct contact of why i benefit from it? if i have, it isn't obvious that it was from my USAC doll hairs.
the problem i see is you pay this $75 and for what? have i ever been in direct contact of why i benefit from it? if i have, it isn't obvious that it was from my USAC doll hairs.
Joe J
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Ok ok sorry, maybe ran away is too strong. But there can be no doubt they walked away from the series. I would be more than happy to have a conversation about this but I am not sure here it the proper medium, as it would entail information that is not open to the public.
But yes, ok, you are right. Ran away is too strong and I'm sorry to characterize them as cowards, or anything along those lines.
Joe J
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I have been sitting quietly watching this thread roll on by and have hesitated on posting any comments but do feel some sort of response is necessary.
We did not run away from the series. It has been a giant festering boil that has been expanding with each year and finally popped after years of others trying to tell us how to run our race. From payout schedules, classes to the USAC topic. For us we just did not feel it was anyone else's business how we promoted our race. When this years proposal came about for series sponsorship we did not see eye to eye with either the proposal or how it was presented which was again another display by those in charge of the H2H series to tell us how to promote our race. I understand there were options but it still goes to show that people were looking to show us how to run our race.
Our choice to not be USAC is not for one specific reason although some think it is because of the insurance which is not the truth. USAC does not do anything for mountain biking in the United States and when you look at their budget they give back a very small amount compared to other disciplines of cycling. To give back $20-30k total to all of mountain biking when your budget is millions should tell you their priorities are not with Mountain biking. When you buy that license and race strictly mountain bike you really do not get anything for your money. That money is sent to and used in other disciplines. The so called accident insurance is useless unless maybe you are totally uninsured. Most of the discounts are not used. Then there is that portion that goes to anti-doping. When was the last time, except maybe nationals, that you saw a doping control at a mountain bike race. The one day license fee does not sit well either. You pay $10 and that's supposed to be for that accident insurance but nothing else. Then there is the liability insurance. That's a discussion In and of itself but good luck to all events being under a $10million limit. And when I say ALL events I mean ALL events on the USAC calendar from races to grand fondos all fall under that limit. This was another deciding factor but not our sole reason leaving and not sanctioning with USAC.
I know some think that the kids coming out of NICA need to have an organization to race under after they leave but in the grand scheme of things does it really matter? A kid is either going to have that desire and drive to become great and move onto collegiate racing or try and become a pro. Does it really matter if a small race series that has maybe 200 people on any given day is sanctioned or not? The majority of the people racing are ultimately doing it for fun and fitness. Those that still have the desire to compete as we age. Black bear promotes our races so people can have fun and bring out that desire to compete. We just do not think USAC needs to be involved to have a fun time. I have raced extensively in many endurance events, all of which are unsanctioned and never really noticed the lack of an official.
We did not run away from the series. It has been a giant festering boil that has been expanding with each year and finally popped after years of others trying to tell us how to run our race. From payout schedules, classes to the USAC topic. For us we just did not feel it was anyone else's business how we promoted our race. When this years proposal came about for series sponsorship we did not see eye to eye with either the proposal or how it was presented which was again another display by those in charge of the H2H series to tell us how to promote our race. I understand there were options but it still goes to show that people were looking to show us how to run our race.
Our choice to not be USAC is not for one specific reason although some think it is because of the insurance which is not the truth. USAC does not do anything for mountain biking in the United States and when you look at their budget they give back a very small amount compared to other disciplines of cycling. To give back $20-30k total to all of mountain biking when your budget is millions should tell you their priorities are not with Mountain biking. When you buy that license and race strictly mountain bike you really do not get anything for your money. That money is sent to and used in other disciplines. The so called accident insurance is useless unless maybe you are totally uninsured. Most of the discounts are not used. Then there is that portion that goes to anti-doping. When was the last time, except maybe nationals, that you saw a doping control at a mountain bike race. The one day license fee does not sit well either. You pay $10 and that's supposed to be for that accident insurance but nothing else. Then there is the liability insurance. That's a discussion In and of itself but good luck to all events being under a $10million limit. And when I say ALL events I mean ALL events on the USAC calendar from races to grand fondos all fall under that limit. This was another deciding factor but not our sole reason leaving and not sanctioning with USAC.
I know some think that the kids coming out of NICA need to have an organization to race under after they leave but in the grand scheme of things does it really matter? A kid is either going to have that desire and drive to become great and move onto collegiate racing or try and become a pro. Does it really matter if a small race series that has maybe 200 people on any given day is sanctioned or not? The majority of the people racing are ultimately doing it for fun and fitness. Those that still have the desire to compete as we age. Black bear promotes our races so people can have fun and bring out that desire to compete. We just do not think USAC needs to be involved to have a fun time. I have raced extensively in many endurance events, all of which are unsanctioned and never really noticed the lack of an official.