FTB ride in MUD

I usually blow up the tube with my mouth to start it out and give it a little shape. It's like blowing up an inflatable raft. /QUOTE]

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Sorry, that image jumped right out when I saw your post..... thanks for the tip!

Hilarious!!! :hysterica
 
did you not read that horse back riders already tore up the trails. my fatty just smoothed down all those horse shoe prints. you're welcome. i understand your point. hope for frozen trails by the weekend.

Yeah, we read it. The point is other trail users (hikers, runners, horse back riders, hunters, etc) see bikes out there and blame riders. Remember, we have been in the fold for twenty five years, hoove and foot have been around since humans.

You saw how many horses vs. Bikes? I bet there were a lot more bikes, creating the perception bikes do more wrong (garbage, crowded parking lots, cyclists not yielding to horses, runners)

Just because your tires cause less damage doesn't mean they don't cause damage.

The major foul is that proper riding etiquette would be not to ride in the mud. But instead this post advertises it, bringing this board as well as the cycling community bad press. To put the cherry on the dessert you call out the equestrian community as some sort of negative community. Well I am sorry, but they help keep the trails open too. In many places it has taken a long time to build relationships between the cycling and equestrian community. I could go on and tell you what I really think, but it would be a waste of time. Grow up.

I took a rake and a garbage bag out sat and sun, rakes out ruts (when not frozen) and cleared rain NICs. If I did ride, the last thing I would do is run my mouth and show pictures of my.mud covered bike and talk how rad it was.

There are a lot of new faces in the sport these days, too few realize the work that went in to building a solid reputation for our community over the last twenty years. It was not too long ago a few of the local parks were going yo ban cycling. A good group of trail users got together and provded the cyclists were a good edition. It seems the bike industry has made a profit without passing on some of this info.

Thank dude....hope the pics made a kewl status update.:getsome:
 
so none of you ride your bike in the spring then because around here you can plan on riding late april\early may. that is when the trail will dry up. ever ride Stewarts? that has lots of mud all summer long after rain. what valley is that? I have been riding KVSP probably longer than any of you. I didn't do any damage to the trails last weekend. your bent out of shape for no good reason.
 
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so none of you ride your bike in the spring then because around here you can plan on riding late april\early may. that is when the trail will dry up. ever ride Stewarts? that has lots of mud all summer long after rain. what valley is that? I have been riding KVSP probably longer than any of you. I didn't do any damage to the trails last weekend. your bent out of shape for no good reason.

When it is wet, no, I don't ride in the woods, unless they are well drained Sandy trails, such as Wharton.

I am sure you did damage to the trails last weekend, that goes without argument.

But, with that being said, I think you have missed the point, good luck arguing your way out of this one.

Your self-appoint award is in the mail for riding KSVP longer than any of us, thank you for gracing us with your presence on this board, I don't know how we existed without you. Let me know where I can buy the calendar to drool over.

Shred on dude and keep the kewl pics coming:drooling:
 
+1. I think the pics of the fatty's tires validate this, along with the observation that this was the muddiest ride.

Alternatives? -> In addition to the road (which is the easiest alternative but not always the most enjoyable for non-roadies (dang NJ drivers)), there's also the beach. Granted, not close for some people, but if you have a fattie and are jonesing for an off-road ride that won't tear up the trails when they're soft, head down the shore. With this weekend's forecast also looking iffy (you need more than a day of cold to get the trails hardended up again), I may be at Sandy Hook on Sunday. :getsome:
Another alternative: abandoned rail trails with gravel ballast (some sections of Lackawanna Cutoff, which is a stone's throw from KVSP, have this surface). Perfect for fatties as Jim V has said.
 
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+1. I think the pics of the fatty's tires validate this, along with the observation that this was the muddiest ride.

Alternatives? -> In addition to the road (which is the easiest alternative but not always the most enjoyable for non-roadies (dang NJ drivers)), there's also the beach. Granted, not close for some people, but if you have a fattie and are jonesing for an off-road ride that won't tear up the trails when they're soft, head down the shore. With this weekend's forecast also looking iffy (you need more than a day of cold to get the trails hardended up again), I may be at Sandy Hook on Sunday. :getsome:
Another alternative: abandoned rail trails with gravel ballast (some sections of Lackawanna Cutoff, which is a stone's throw from KVSP, have this surface). Perfect for fatties as Jim V has said.

Agreed on abandoned trails. It's pretty cool to get a look at all the hidden history that's out there. All of NJ is not paved over, and some interesting stuff has happened here. Nobody is going to care about your Lackawanna Cutoff Strava PR, but that shouldn't be the point.
 
Yeah, we read it. The point is other trail users (hikers, runners, horse back riders, hunters, etc) see bikes out there and blame riders. Remember, we have been in the fold for twenty five years, hoove and foot have been around since humans.

You saw how many horses vs. Bikes? I bet there were a lot more bikes, creating the perception bikes do more wrong (garbage, crowded parking lots, cyclists not yielding to horses, runners)

Just because your tires cause less damage doesn't mean they don't cause damage.

The major foul is that proper riding etiquette would be not to ride in the mud. But instead this post advertises it, bringing this board as well as the cycling community bad press. To put the cherry on the dessert you call out the equestrian community as some sort of negative community. Well I am sorry, but they help keep the trails open too. In many places it has taken a long time to build relationships between the cycling and equestrian community. I could go on and tell you what I really think, but it would be a waste of time. Grow up.

I took a rake and a garbage bag out sat and sun, rakes out ruts (when not frozen) and cleared rain NICs. If I did ride, the last thing I would do is run my mouth and show pictures of my.mud covered bike and talk how rad it was.

There are a lot of new faces in the sport these days, too few realize the work that went in to building a solid reputation for our community over the last twenty years. It was not too long ago a few of the local parks were going yo ban cycling. A good group of trail users got together and provded the cyclists were a good edition. It seems the bike industry has made a profit without passing on some of this info.

Thank dude....hope the pics made a kewl status update.:getsome:

I rode Sunday, it was not nearly as muddy as I would of thought, after an hour and a half my bike as well as my gear had little to no mud on them.
 
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so none of you ride your bike in the spring then because around here you can plan on riding late april\early may. that is when the trail will dry up. ever ride Stewarts? that has lots of mud all summer long after rain. what valley is that? I have been riding KVSP probably longer than any of you. I didn't do any damage to the trails last weekend. your bent out of shape for no good reason.

And this is why some of us rode the Manasquan Reservoir this weekend. got 17 miles in had a good time and no trail damage...
 
so none of you ride your bike in the spring then because around here you can plan on riding late april\early may. that is when the trail will dry up. ever ride Stewarts? that has lots of mud all summer long after rain. what valley is that? I have been riding KVSP probably longer than any of you. I didn't do any damage to the trails last weekend. your bent out of shape for no good reason.

People wide in the mud, it's just going to happen. Even the most vigilant of us will find ourselves on an overcast day then we get dumped on. What to do? Walk home off trail? No, you keep riding. And sometimes the conditions are mostly good, with a few bad areas. Do you stay off until 100% of the trails are dry? Probably nobody does that.

But the general line is this: don't do it. It's kins of like heavy drinking. Sure, once in a while maybe you drink so much you regret it the next day. But in general, you use common sense & moderation. That's all that anyone can reasonably ask.

If you drink a 30 pack of Bud every weekend, go ahead and disregard this message.
 
Here something you can do when the trails are a mess....This is my loop from sunday....Mostly off road, ok probably more than 2/3rds anyway...But I did this loop on my 31lb, 5in travel 29er....Wasnt skyline, but better than the road bike IMO and all on gravel trails, or doubletrack. (randolph trails, patriots path, etc)

http://www.strava.com/activities/105880292
 
I rode Sunday, it was not nearly as muddy as I would of thought, after an hour and a half my bike as well as my gear had little to no mud on them.

That's great, but we were talking about the picture of the bike posted up that was slathered in mud as well as comments after it. 😎
 
That's great, but we were talking about the picture of the bike posted up that was slathered in mud as well as comments after it. 😎

Understood. I just think the response was a bit harsh. This...

"I rode Sunday, it was not nearly as muddy as I would of thought, after an hour and a half my bike as well as my gear had little to no mud on them."

... is a quote from you on this forum. All I did was change "yesterday" to "Sunday", and yes I rode this past Sunday. You actually said you thought it would be muddier that day but you rode anyway. So, now you're going to tell me how when you ride on wet trails it's different from when anyone else does? I'm calling BS.
 
I really wanted to stay out of this but....

There is a lot of passion from the folks who spend many, many hours maintaining the trails and get sickened when we see ruts. But it's more than just a kick in the face when we see them, many have also had to deal with issues from land managers, other user groups, and even the possible threat of closure. I have personally been involved in many hot situations, including fighting to keep Allaire open many moons ago. I tried to keep other users calm when they reported to me that the trails were trashed by bikers after a rain storm. You will either heed some friendly advice and stay off the trails after a day of rain, or you won't. As Norm referred to, we can't help it if we are caught in a storm half way through a ride, but we ask that you use good judgement because we have many foes that would love to see us banned from all the trails - and when we damage the trails, it's fuel for their fire.


DO they cancel races when conditions are bad ?

No....it usually involves a dated special use permit. Some of the permits I've seen require damage to be corrected though.

horse back riders already tore up the trails.

Equestrians usually own large pieces of property and have some cash to back it. Who do you think the politicians would side with. :hmmm:
 
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