Cars, it's electric! Do Do Do

[Mahnken]

I have a 10 gallon tank, so I'm usually getting 8-9 gallons. If there's more than one car at the gas station then I usually either try the next one or get it on the way home.



Seconds every day adds up to minutes over the course of the month.

Regardless, I never "miss out" on anything because I was at a gas station for a few minutes. My next car might be electric, and my next next car most surely will be, but I won't be doing it to save time at the pump.

I basically wait until my tank reads zero miles to empty, because I'm just really not a fan of stopping for gas. Because of that, I have found myself wasting 10-20 minutes trying to find the nearest gas station, and it has made me late from time to time. Plugging the car in is not even noticable, plug it in on the way in, unplug on the way out. And if I'm ever going somewhere far enough that the EV will run out, the car simply adds a stop into the trip. And it's usually just a 10 or 15 minute stop, adding enough charge to finish the trip. I guess if you don't have an ev, you really can't appreciate how much nicer it is

 

[Patrick]

Who is controlling said mines since we are following the money?

excellent question.

maybe the people that are against the people controlling the oil fields?

perhaps an economic war is being waged ?
hence the government incentives to develop (corp) and buy (consumer)?
Long term strategy - we aren't usually good at that.

This could get some traction.

returning again to 'we can make electricity' - we have to mine for oil.

 

[one piece crank]

I basically wait until my tank reads zero miles to empty, because I'm just really not a fan of stopping for gas. Because of that, I have found myself wasting 10-20 minutes trying to find the nearest gas station, and it has made me late from time to time.

Not singling you out, but I still scratch my head. If I need fuel I know where I can get it, and get it. If I'm driving new territory I don't wait until I'm running on fumes. So I'm back to 8-minute refueling, subtract the minutes used reading messages, and I've reached @JimN 's 3 minute refueling stat.

My Apocalyptic bike carrier has twin 12 gallon tanks, mechanical switch-on-the-fly, and can carry four 5gal Jerry cans.

 

[tonyride]

You are thinking way too much into this. You just plug the car in when you get home, unplug it when you leave. Unless you're driving more than 200+ miles a day, you won't need to stop at a charger away from home and your car will be fully charged every morning. I still have an ice car and absolutely hate stopping at the gas station.

We're specifically talking about convenience. It sounds like you've been conditioned to think that plugging and unplugging every time you drive and return home is an acceptable sacrifice to make for the privilege of owning an EV and I just don't think that way. I don't know about you but not having to do that each time you get home is more convenient than having to. When I get home I get out of the car and I can get right to tending to my kid, the dog, putting the groceries away, or any other distractions that can make me forget to plug my car in. Sure, you can do it but not having to do it is more convenient. Paying more for something to do perform a function should make life easier and I just don't see that an EV would make my life easier. Not now, not today. I'm sure some day when motor and battery technology advances, charging infrastructure is more abundant, reliable, and standardized then I would get one but we're not there yet. Not even close for me.

 

[The Kalmyk]

excellent question.

maybe the people that are against the people controlling the oil fields?

perhaps an economic war is being waged ?
hence the government incentives to develop (corp) and buy (consumer)?
Long term strategy - we aren't usually good at that.

This could get some traction.

returning again to 'we can make electricity' - we have to mine for oil.

The de-dollarization plan like the electric plan is similar to blitzkreig. Hit em fast hit em quck

Is electric the next big energy? Thats where my argument lies. It can be if we get it out fast enough😉

 

[Bike N Gear]

Not singling you out, but I still scratch my head. If I need fuel I know where I can get it, and get it. If I'm driving new territory I don't wait until I'm running on fumes. So I'm back to 8-minute refueling, subtract the minutes used reading messages, and I've reached @JimN 's 3 minute refueling stat.

My Apocalyptic bike carrier has twin 12 gallon tanks, mechanical switch-on-the-fly, and can carry four 5gal Jerry cans.

I always thought that orange low fuel light on my dash meant I should probably buy gas tomorrow. My wife thinks it means the car is about to stall.

 

[JimN]

It sounds like you've been conditioned to think that plugging and unplugging every time you drive and return home is an acceptable sacrifice to make for the privilege of owning an EV and I just don't think that way. I don't know about you but not having to do that each time you get home is more convenient than having to. When I get home I get out of the car and I can get right to tending to my kid, the dog, putting the groceries away, or any other distractions that can make me forget to plug my car in.

For me, I would probably only need to plug the car in once a week most weeks. You could also always plug it in later if you can't spend 5-10 seconds doing it when you get home. It'll obviously be nicer when you can just pull onto the charging plate on your driveway or whatever and not have to plug it in.

 

[tonyride]

For me, I would probably only need to plug the car in once a week most weeks. You could also always plug it in later if you can't spend 5-10 seconds doing it when you get home. It'll obviously be nicer when you can just pull onto the charging plate on your driveway or whatever and not have to plug it in.

I think you're getting my point or supporting it... whether you realize it or not. But right now nobody has been able to tell me why I should get an EV over and ICE vehicle or a single thing at an EV does better than an ICE vehicle. Oh, and pay more for it.

 

[JimN]

But right now nobody has been able to tell me why I should get an EV over and ICE vehicle or a single thing at an EV does better than an ICE vehicle.

My next car may or may not be an EV, but I basically agree with this. A car for me is just a means to get somewhere, often with my bicycle, and then get home again. I don't really give any fucks about what fuels it. Having to stop for gas occasionally or having to plug it in most days makes no difference, as neither is really much of an inconvenience to me.

 

[tonyride]

My next car may or may not be an EV, but I basically agree with this. A car for me is just a means to get somewhere, often with my bicycle, and then get home again. I don't really give any fucks about what fuels it. Having to stop for gas occasionally or having to plug it in most days makes no difference, as neither is really much of an inconvenience to me.

Fair enough. Like I said from the beginning, EVs may be right for some but it is not for me. When there are 2 things that perform the same functions but one costs a lot more than the other there better be damn good reasons why if you expect me to buy the more expensive one.

 

[Patrick]

I think you're getting my point or supporting it... whether you realize it or not. But right now nobody has been able to tell me why I should get an EV over and ICE vehicle or a single thing at an EV does better than an ICE vehicle. Oh, and pay more for it.

So i get where you are coming from - it isn't about charging inconvenience - it is about the way you want to operate your "mission" -
You've even said when the mission changes (ie kids grow) and newer tech provides advantage - you'd be swayed.
Makes sense.

Someone saying "trade this behavior for that one" without a clear advantage is not convincing because of the way you want to operate.

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That being said, the right solution is probably a portfolio of cars which run on different fuels - so we aren't completely reliant on one.

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as far as the city solution - easy enough, move the charging station instead of the car.
Plenty of power flowing under the streets in most - you'd pay for a subscription, and arrange for charging on demand.
Priority would be software based - easy to schedule if trips were on a calendar.
Kinda like having fuel oil delivered automagically instead of having NG piped into the house.

 

[Bike N Gear]

as far as the city solution - easy enough, move the charging station instead of the car.
Plenty of power flowing under the streets in most - you'd pay for a subscription, and arrange for charging on demand.
Priority would be software based - easy to schedule if trips were on a calendar.
Kinda like having fuel oil delivered automagically instead of having NG piped into the house.

Maybe I'm dense, but how do you easily charge a few hundred thousand of cars like this, nightly or even weekly in any given city?

 

[Mahnken]

We're specifically talking about convenience. It sounds like you've been conditioned to think that plugging and unplugging every time you drive and return home is an acceptable sacrifice to make for the privilege of owning an EV and I just don't think that way. I don't know about you but not having to do that each time you get home is more convenient than having to. When I get home I get out of the car and I can get right to tending to my kid, the dog, putting the groceries away, or any other distractions that can make me forget to plug my car in. Sure, you can do it but not having to do it is more convenient. Paying more for something to do perform a function should make life easier and I just don't see that an EV would make my life easier. Not now, not today. I'm sure some day when motor and battery technology advances, charging infrastructure is more abundant, reliable, and standardized then I would get one but we're not there yet. Not even close for me.

There's no conditioning. It's literally just not an inconvenience. I have two young kids and a dog and do grocery shopping 😂. I've never once had to say, "ugh, gotta plug the car in." Because it's just a nothing burger. And you don't have to plug in everytime. You make it sound like your chained to the charger. We've gone months not plugging in at home and only while my wife works. We just moved and it took me a couple months to put the charger up (sure, that was an hour of inconvenience), and honestly didn't notice any difference. My wife plugged in at work, kept us charged up and ready to go, for free. I get there's not a lot of people that can charge for free at work, but for me, that convenience is there. And financially, the model y made a ton of sense. Of course, we got it when it was a lot cheaper, and my odyssey was cheaper, but the cost of gas and maintenance is quickly negating any financial burden of the EV's initial cost. And the Tesla is just a much more enjoyable driving experience. It would take a lot to get me to ever buy another ice car.

 

[Patrick]

Maybe I'm dense, but how do you easily charge a few hundred thousand of cars like this, nightly or even weekly in any given city?

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very long extension cords?

it is a queuing and distribution problem.
I think some side-gigin' skid could plug them in until the light turns green then plug in the next one using an app. Uber-juice.
Given some parameters, ie service time, arrival interval, we could figure out how many heads are needed.

Or is is it self service like parking meters? All the brains are below ground, so the heads are not energized until connected and authorized.
It is yours, and stays locked to the car, until your time is out. Next person could then grab it (or pay the skater)
It wouldn't be like you could drive away with it plugged in - the car would know and prompt to be disconnected.

Large problems require large solutions - electricity is there. Just need the last 100 feet x however many.

We haven't even talked about inductive charging yet!

 

[tonyride]

So i get where you are coming from - it isn't about charging inconvenience - it is about the way you want to operate your "mission" -
You've even said when the mission changes (ie kids grow) and newer tech provides advantage - you'd be swayed.
Makes sense.

I would rephrase that as it isn't ONLY about charging inconvenience AT HOME. Charging away from home is an issue also but there's more to my hesitance than just the charging part.

 

[Bike N Gear]

very long extension cords?

it is a queuing and distribution problem.
I think some side-gigin' skid could plug them in until the light turns green then plug in the next one using an app. Uber-juice.
Given some parameters, ie service time, arrival interval, we could figure out how many heads are needed.

Or is is it self service like parking meters? All the brains are below ground, so the heads are not energized until connected and authorized.
It is yours, and stays locked to the car, until your time is out. Next person could then grab it (or pay the skater)
It wouldn't be like you could drive away with it plugged in - the car would know and prompt to be disconnected.

Large problems require large solutions - electricity is there. Just need the last 100 feet x however many.

We haven't even talked about inductive charging yet!

I don't know. That picture is my son's hood. He moved in August 1. They have been replacing the lights on his block since he moved in. They are not finished yet. This is one block. At that rate we'd have flying cars before they are done electrifying a city.

 

[tonyride]

There's no conditioning. It's literally just not an inconvenience. I have two young kids and a dog and do grocery shopping 😂. I've never once had to say, "ugh, gotta plug the car in." Because it's just a nothing burger. And you don't have to plug in everytime. You make it sound like your chained to the charger. We've gone months not plugging in at home and only while my wife works. We just moved and it took me a couple months to put the charger up (sure, that was an hour of inconvenience), and honestly didn't notice any difference. My wife plugged in at work, kept us charged up and ready to go, for free. I get there's not a lot of people that can charge for free at work, but for me, that convenience is there. And financially, the model y made a ton of sense. Of course, we got it when it was a lot cheaper, and my odyssey was cheaper, but the cost of gas and maintenance is quickly negating any financial burden of the EV's initial cost. And the Tesla is just a much more enjoyable driving experience. It would take a lot to get me to ever buy another ice car.

Great. It works for you. My situation is different so right now and EV isn't a good fit for me, at least not today. My biggest issue is when the government steps in and starts the EV mandate or people telling me that an EV is better for me and I should get one. Maybe I just don't like people telling me what to do without good reasons.

 

[JimN]

We haven't even talked about inductive charging yet!

It'll obviously be nicer when you can just pull onto the charging plate on your driveway or whatever and not have to plug it in.

^^^

At that rate we'd have flying cars before they are done electrifying a city.

Those flying cars are gonna need to be charged too 😛

 

[shrpshtr325]

I've read this a few times and always scratch my head. How much time do you have to spend gassing up to put that to writing? I mean, really - pull in, pump (NJ they pump for you), pay and bye-bye - 8 minutes if you check your messages. Don't go to Costco at lunch or weekend mornings...

2-3 minutes? Maybe if theres no one else there and you're only getting $10 of gas 🤣

if i pull into the gas station with my truck (32 gallon tank) with the gas light on, pull up to the pump, fill the tank (all the way, bc who wants to fill up more frequently) and leave i am in the gas station for <5 minutes, i have timed id, 3.5 minutes to put 28 gallons in (sure some stations will be slower, but im sure some will be faster) + time to swipe card and get reciept. . . . . .



the other thing that people saying 'all evs' is missing is the infrastructure to support all these charging stations (sure put in more stations, thatll help) but the grids cant even handle the power load that we put on them NOW, how are they going to do if a significant (evs are still a niche market) number of cars are charging at home every night (bc who wants to leave for work with a half charge when they dont absolutely need to?). California was telling people in Aug (not even a full 4 months ago) to NOT charge their electric cars because they didnt have enough power to charge AND run the air conditioners. . . . . . .


fix the grid, THEN worry about converting people to electric.

I basically wait until my tank reads zero miles to empty, because I'm just really not a fan of stopping for gas. Because of that, I have found myself wasting 10-20 minutes trying to find the nearest gas station, and it has made me late from time to time. Plugging the car in is not even noticable, plug it in on the way in, unplug on the way out. And if I'm ever going somewhere far enough that the EV will run out, the car simply adds a stop into the trip. And it's usually just a 10 or 15 minute stop, adding enough charge to finish the trip. I guess if you don't have an ev, you really can't appreciate how much nicer it is

this is your opinion, not a fact. while im glad that you like it better, it is unreasonable to think that everyone will. . . .

 

[ebarker9]

Alright, you guys have definitely convinced me that you don't want EVs.

Edit: Basically just saying that I haven't seen anyone in here saying "You need to buy an EV, or you're wrong for not wanting one". From the EV owners it's mostly "this my experience and why it works for me".