w_b
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Just like Al Czervik eyeing up Bushwood!
Bye Bye Briz?
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Steve Vai
Endurance Guy: Tolerates most of us.
This administration is 100% for taking public lands AND torturing children so this is a win-win for them. Thankfully it'll take 10-years to get all of the bids allocated to the proper politicians and another 10 for whatever union they launder the rest of the cash through to actually build it, so I'll be dead by then. 🤷♂️
krink
Eddie Munster
Naw, it will take a lot longer for you to make it to the big brevet in the sky, unless you ride NJ roadways, oh, wait.....
Steve Vai
Endurance Guy: Tolerates most of us.
There's a white Tesla with my name on it driving around as we speak 🤣
Steve Vai
Endurance Guy: Tolerates most of us.
The local Cheeto King worshippers in Wall waiting for low income housing now that they've voted to have everything taken away from them.
SmooveP
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Will they be accepting refugees from Sussex County?
Steve Vai
Endurance Guy: Tolerates most of us.
I think they end up in Port Jervis.
SmooveP
Well-Known Member
PJ is in another state. People complain bitterly about NJ but act like they're stuck here.
ilnadi
Well-Known Member
Same in Clinton. Overtaxing the water and sewer system.
Of course the "affordable housing is anything but.
Where the A&P used to be $2.5k apartments
MMuller
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Same in Ocean Grove, where the local millionaires that run the town want to develop the north end with condos, restaraunts, retail stores on a couple acres. With the narrow streets there already is no parking, as everyone parks there and walks to Asbury. And it'll add 20k toilets to Neptunes already HIGHLY taxed (double meaning as our property taxes just jumped 25%!) sewer system. I can see, with the extra stress, the whole slice that is OG just sink into the ocean, which it already did during Sandy. The whole project is based on greed, not need.
Some of us don't want people to know they can leave. Just remember, there's no pizza or bagels outside of NJ so why leave right?
During Covid when everything was shut down people discovered the outdoors and the trailheads were packed. I remember the first warm beautiful day after they opened the malls and I was going down Route 24 and saw all the traffic going into the Short Hills mall. I got really angry that all those people were probably recreating outdoors while they were forced to and now here they are sitting in traffic to get into that mall on a beautiful weekend.
Then realized, that's their problem, not mine and now there's less people on the trails.
In case anyone is interested to have a say in this matter.
"A special meeting and public hearing is set for Monday, Aug. 25 at 7 p.m. at the municipal building at 2700 Allaire Rd., where residents can share their thoughts on the plan."
I plan on being there to try and explain the long term issues with cutting down all the trees in N.J.
"A special meeting and public hearing is set for Monday, Aug. 25 at 7 p.m. at the municipal building at 2700 Allaire Rd., where residents can share their thoughts on the plan."
I plan on being there to try and explain the long term issues with cutting down all the trees in N.J.
ilnadi
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Well. Some reasons to leave do exist, like warm weather to go sailing.
BUT. Good luck trying to find good pizza in coastal NC
That's a false narrative as it applies to this specific situation. I am apolitical and call balls and strikes evenly, but it seems some want to blame everything on one person/party. That's their/your choice.
The fact of the matter is that this is being driven by the horrific NJ State Mt Laurel decision policy forcing the construction of a fixed number of low income housing units in EVERY town in the state ("fair share" from the language of the decision). In theory, it is good policy. In practice, what it has turned into is a huge windfall for greedy builders connected with the various state, county and local political machines, regardless of party. It's a very sad state of affairs and things that everyone should care about regardless of party affiliation such as open spaces, woods, wetlands and the animal species that live in those places are going to be negatively impacted by this forced and unreasonable requirements that let the builders get richer. I don't have a solution to the problem.
I politely request we keep this on track about Briz specifically and please avoid unnecessary and unrelated political diatribes. Have a nice day.
You are correct, the towns are in a bind due to the court decision and are forced to build the housing even if nobody wants it.
It may make sense to work with the town to find an alternative site for building than Brisbane so that the town has an alternative option. Brisbane is likely just an easy choice as it's large undeveloped land.
There are other choices in Wall, and they were detailed in an article that I may have linked (maybe not).
The old Peddler's Village site on the Manasquan Traffic Circle. Developers have tried to develop that site many times, and it is severely blighted, but the rich NIMBYs in Apple Ridge scream and cry every time something tries to get done. Hope they get low income housing a as a reward.
Another potential site is another one of McDowell's old properties, an old pit off of Route 34, not far from Briz. Think there were 1 or 2 other alternatives. It would be nice if the entire Allaire tracts (the State Park with the historical sites, the campsites, the mountain bike paths and Briz) could all be preserved. The thing working in favor of developing either Briz or the Pit is there will be less numbers and outcry from neighbors. But there are some fairly large tracts of property on nice homes along Atlantic Ave too, and then the development on West 18th.
JonF
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Home of the Big Mick?
Not familiar with the Big Mick.
Here's a link to opposition:
And Google Maps:
Here's the story:
WALL TOWNSHIP — The Wall
Township Planning Board met on
Monday to review four proposed
projects to address the township’s
obligation of creating 650 aord-
able housing units for the state’s
fourth round of the Housing Ele-
ment and Fair Share Plan.
The four projects include an
addition to the Care One Assist-
ed Living Facility at 2621 Route
138; redevelopment of the aban-
doned Peddler’s Village site at
1413 Atlantic Ave.; redevelopment
of Wall Owner LLC’s mining site
on Route 34 across from the Mon-
mouth Executive Airport; and the
development of Mill Run at
Allaire, known as the aban-
doned former Arthur Bris-
bane property, at 4240 Atlan-
tic Ave.
A special meeting and pub-
lic hearing is set for Monday,
Aug. 25 at 7 p.m. at the mu-
nicipal building at 2700 Al-
laire Rd., where residents can
share their thoughts on the
plan.
The affordable housing
obligation stems from the
Mount Laurel doctrine, estab-
lished by the New Jersey Su-
preme Court, requiring mu-
nicipalities use their zoning
to provide a realistic oppor-
tunity for the construction of
their "fair share" of aœordable
housing for low- and moder-
ate-income households.
MILL RUN AT ALLAIRE/
OLD BRISBANE ESTATE
A new neighborhood of
600 to 750 housing units is
proposed for 155 acres at the
former Brisbane Estate off
Atlantic Avenue, with 266 of
those units designated as af-
fordable. The density ranges
from four to five units per
acre, according to Lelie.
The site most recently
held the Arthur Brisbane
Child Treatment Center, a
state-run psychiatric facility,
until 2005 when the center
shut down amidst contro-
versy. The property was part
of an enormous estate, part
of which now encompasses
Allaire State Park, accrued
by the famous newspaper
editor Arthur Brisbane. His
mansion, which later held the
treatment center, suffered a
fire in 2020.
Of those 266
affordable
units, 190 would be family
units, of which 131 would be
rentals with veterans’ prefer-
ence, 12 would be transitional
housing units and 47 would
be inclusionary single family
and townhomes. A total of
76 senior units are also pro-
posed on site, which will max
out the township’s senior af-
fordable unit credits for the
fourth round.
“This is the old Brisbane
Estate, and as you know, it's
been defunct for many years,”
Lelie said. “The state of New
Jersey owns this parcel, and
the town is in conversations
with the state. They actually
came to the municipality ask-
ing if there would be interest
in developing this site. We
believe that this is an excel-
lent site for creating what’s
known as a new neighbor-
hood, or planned unit devel-
opment, of which 155 acres
would be for residential use,
and we are looking at other
uses that would support the
community including com-
munity centers, potentially
parks and ball fields, and po-
tentially a school.”
Lelie said a total of 140 bo-
nus credits toward the 650
unit obligation are associat-
ed with the project, with one
full bonus credit awarded for
each 100% aœordable housing
unit.
“This site has sat vacant
and abandoned for many
years,” Lelie said. “Being able
to create a new neighborhood
in this particular location and
providing amenities to hope-
fully support that new neigh-
borhood is definitely a much
better way of land use plan-
ning than taking four, five,
six or seven other developer
sites throughout the munici-
pality. We thought this was a
better way of using land effi-
ciently.”
WALL OWNER LLC MINE
REDEVELOPMENT
A total of 856 residential
units are proposed for the
200-acre mine site, with 172 of
those units set aside as aœord-
able. Within those 172 units
would be 116 family units and
56 senior units, coming out to
around 4.3 units per acre. The
property is owned by Wall
Owner LLC with Thomas J.
Burke is their authorized rep-
resentative, according to the
NJ Department of the Trea-
sury Division of Revenue &
Enterprise Services.
“This is a redevelopment
of an active mining opera-
tion,” Lelie said. “You will
see the greening of this a bit
more than what you see now,
which is kind of a void land-
scape.”
“One of the negotiating
pieces is that the developer
is talking to the municipality,
and the municipality is ask-
ing for a senior community
center,” Lelie said. “Whether
they build it or the town gets
the land for it, that’s one of
the public amenities that's
coming from this particular
developer.”
The developer would also
provide upgrades to West
Hurley Pond Road to accom-
modate the number of units
that would be coming to the
area. Previously, a proposed
plan by Wall Owner LLC
submitted to the planning
board in 2021 would have
called for 2.1 million square
feet of industrial space across
nine buildings.
“One of the public benefits
is that the original proposal
was for probably close to an
area of 2,000,000 square feet
of distribution warehouse
space,” Lelie said. “(That
would have) huge impact
on these roads. That’s now
coming away, and residential
(use) will be in place of it.”