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This Thread Blows - C19 and beyond
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i actually know a guy that was working the pump in 60s that let someone pump their own gas and they blew up a gas station.
The legal case was so long and f-up that finding the gas station liable (not the guy, cause they never told him not to let someone pump
their own gas) was one reason.
there was another where competing gas stations post ww2 didn't want one doing self and one doing full
and it became a mob thing. no show jobs etc.
take your pick.
the new pumps need to be activated by a card in NJ. so you can finish, but not start pumping.....i've never
had a guy tell me not to finish it up. esp if i bring in gas cans.
wild!
they could also be pre-symptom. i think the pregnancy thing said that 2/3rds developed symptoms post test.
TMI.
68nova200
Well-Known Member
Yeah I can read numbers... But lets think about this in a different way. How many hospitals are "overrun" nationwide? less than 20? less than 10? The hospital "overrun" thing is very clearly spelled out on NJ's website. Only 8224 currently hospitalized. So yeah of course maybe a few hospitals are crowded but that happens during a really bad flu season too. The majority of NJ and NY hopsitals are well below capacity. Here's a link (https://covid19.nj.gov/#live-updates) All of these pop up extra beds are hardly being used. Hospitializations are decreasing. I realize no one cares about positive news anymore, or people dying from any other causes apparently.
w_b
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These are hardly applicable to the current situation.
Pump at your own risk. Or go pedal your bike or walk, or take mass transit if you can’t handle that. C’mon, really?
Mahnken
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That's only 8,224 covid patients. On top of other people in the hospital for other reasons. Just reading numbers doesn't tell you the whole story.
chris12453
Well-Known Member
If you wanted to take a deep dive into the number you would realize that most of them are useless. Lets take a look like this. The percentage of positive cases day over day really isn't that large of a number when you consider the number of new testing sites and the increased number of tests being performed (private labs included mind you). We expect that these cases are going to go up. Also, it has been proven already (granted the CDC is being very coy about this as they just keep creeping up the number of feet the virus can travel) but the virus is airborne. God forbid somebody actually opens their mouth about that. Secondly, the death tolls are the number we want to look at if you are looking to go into the numbers. Obviously we are talking in terms of looking for the apex or downward trend if you will. While true it is a lag effect so we can't really know the true number until the apex hits (which is right now), when we start to see that number fall consistently for say 3, 4, 5 days we will have some valuable numbers to look at. The big thing that Jersey really just started talking about is the number of people who have recovered. That is a very intriguing number to look at. It was never fully accounted for nor reported when it was starting to be counted. The state like New York looked at the worst case models and prepared the health care system the best they could to deal with the influx. As we know, this never came despite the increased number of people in hospitals. A perfect example would be the 350 or so people in the Javits center and the maybe 80 on the comfort. I don't know the Meadowlands, but lets say that is super low as well. New York prepared for 140-150K beds, they are using 17000 as of today. From a ventilator stand point, we keep asking for more, but we aren't using them all and New York is sending theirs to other states. I would think if they were so dire New York would send them over the river to us. The models that are out there are guesses at best. As an engineer, I have zero faith in those model and projections. But to further this numbers debate, just look at the deaths from seasonal flu from January 1 thru March 25th, 2020. You will see it far exceeds deaths in the for Covid, just an interesting statistic. Malaria follows in the same footsteps. I'm not sure the answer here, but my money is on reopening the economy and we will have to deal. Sounds harsh, but it is the truth unfortunately, we all can't live under our beds forever. I went back to work everyday because if I can do something effective such as provide all of you with clean drinking water free of viruses and bacteria, I could help stop another pandemic. That will be next.
Mahnken
Well-Known Member
I thought this was a decent article for all the people still comparing this to the flu:
www.wsj.com
Why Doesn’t Flu Tank Economy Like Covid-19?
Early comparisons between the two diseases—based on infections and deaths—missed a range of differences.
www.wsj.com
This may be an issue if you pay cash. But who carries $60-80 cash anymore? I use my card and pump it myself every time I go to my regular station. The attendant doesn't even com out of his booth anymore unless he's bored and wants to say hi....
A Potted Plant
Honorary Sod
The fact that you're bitching and trying to make a case to reopen means in fact that this is working, you cherry pick some facts and run with them. It doesn't work that way, our hospitals are where they are because of what is being done and just because things are not over capacity doesn't mean resources aren't at there limit.
Chill out dude ~40% of your post are in this thread; porn hub is offering free premium, go rage out over there.
a.s.
Mr. Chainring
Sweet carbon wheels brah.
68nova200
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I guess this forum is filled with independently wealthy people who can tolerate an absolutely destroyed economy because a few people died.
Aren't you the dude that has been banned multiple times for posting too much? At least my posts make sense...
When my wife got to work this morning there were 17 patients in the entire ED....she told me she has only seen it that low during a couple of huge snowstorms. There is just nobody going to morristowns ER, so feel free to go back to cracking yourself up @serviceguy....your not going to clog up the ER.
She also told me some stats....Right now AHS has 750 patients admitted in all of its hospitals, ~500 are covid....Thats morristown, newton, overlook, chilton and hackettstown.....Morristown alone has over 700 beds. They (all of ahs) have treated and discharged almost 1200. I dont know what the distribution is, but Morristown is not full.
She also told me some stats....Right now AHS has 750 patients admitted in all of its hospitals, ~500 are covid....Thats morristown, newton, overlook, chilton and hackettstown.....Morristown alone has over 700 beds. They (all of ahs) have treated and discharged almost 1200. I dont know what the distribution is, but Morristown is not full.
a.s.
Mr. Chainring
Wouldn’t surprise me. Cyclocross promoters are a shifty bunch.
serviceguy
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I’m glad that us poor bozos contributed to flatten the curve staying at home compensating for the super athletes macho real men that couldn’t stay out of the woods.
Wait, are you saying that hospitals were not overwhelmed? Would they have been if business had gone about as usual? Is this Monday quarterbacking after your team just won the super bowl ? We’ll never know. I’m just glad if your wife as well as everybody else can sooner than later go back to business as usual.
Honest question, how did you enjoy spending more time with your kid at home?
that was a stat for today...or yesterday....im not saying they were or were not overwhelmed....But as of right now, morristown isnt. My wife had a trainee the other day from Clara Maass...ya, dont EVER go there....But thats typical of any time, not just the current state we are in. If you need to go to a hospital for anything more than a few stitches, or maybe an a drug you need in a hurry...stay OUT of places like Clara Maass...They are not set up to treat admitted patients....they usually transfer them out...well right now, thats not so easy...so a place that is usually a mess, is now a bigger mess. All hospitals are NOT the same....
and im not making any arguments against social distancing, outside of I think they should open the schools back up tomorrow....make the little shits wear masks and gloves.
Kid at home is meh....he is 6 and needs to be in school, id send him back tomorrow if I could.
phillychris498
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The issue is reopening too early. While estimating the true case fatality rate is challenging at this point, it seems to be about as deadly for those who contract it (or slightly less deadly) than Spanish Flu from 1918. There is economic research that suggests that areas of the country that stayed "closed" and enforced stricter mitigation from the virus faster actually had more robust economic recovery (faster GDP growth, higher employment) than cities that didn't enforce as strict of mitigation for as long. See this paper: https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/deliver...4000006014093004123024088013022067103&EXT=pdf
It's also really challenging to determine the exact point at which allowing more and more people to die becomes worth allowing so that we can start working/acting like normal again... you essentially need to put a statistical value on life. I'm of the opinion that it's impossible to put a true monetary value on a single life, which means that we should keep requiring partial/full shut downs as long as those out of work can get reliable benefits from the gov't. There's evidence that what we're doing thus far is working to slow the spread/flatten the curve, so it'd be a waste to undo that work at open everything up too early... that'd necessitate an even longer shut down than we've been in to this point now.
thegock
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I thought this was a decent article for all the people still comparing this to the flu:
Why Doesn’t Flu Tank Economy Like Covid-19?
Early comparisons between the two diseases—based on infections and deaths—missed a range of differences.
Very good article. Need subscription or CC to read the whole thing.
The executive summary is that the C19 virus is orders of magnitude more deadly than the flu.