My point was that $250 is more tax money than they would collect from a gas car averaging 30mpg driving 15k a year.
So Apples to Apples, EV owners getting rather screwed.
It's weird, subsidies on purchase, then high EV tax.
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So Apples to Apples, EV owners getting rather screwed.
It's weird, subsidies on purchase, then high EV tax.
I was thinking in terms of similar weight.
a model y weighs 4400, (model 3 is lighter, and there are more, but there are much heavier EVs, so maybe the middle?)
Similar would be a Ridgeline - maybe 22 mpg combined.
NJ state tax on gas is 42.3C/gal - going up to 44.
$250 / .44 = 568 gallons * 22mpg = 12,500 - right in line with average driving.
and of course, YMMV
THATmanMANNY
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Can always count on Patrick to break it down for us. It’s just ass backwards to have so many incentives then nothing and pay to EV. I think even new cars your have to pay $1,000 up front instead of the 4 years. Electric grid guzzling tax
if you are going to bring the grid into it (which I think is bs, cause it is a queuing systems problem) then sure,
you are moving the stress to the grid, and damaging the road in-line with the weight and power of the car.
Somewhere in the way back of this thread, I mentioned that the car should have some sort of account and pay by-the-mile in the state that it is driven.
that is how gas tax works. If you use gasoline for other than "road" and pay the tax, there is a way to get that money back.
- there are also tax free pumps for the landscaper/equipment op types
Gasoline consumption is going down because EVs and higher mpg cars, but the cost of critical infrastructure is going up.
What are the options?
Tax EVs, and raise the fuel tax.
I'm not a fan of the "how" they did it - but it has been coming for years.
qclabrat
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That's true, a few friends got the surprise when getting the itemized bill. I assume it's the same if you lease?
THATmanMANNY
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TommyF
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100% correct !! Everyone using the roadways has to somehow pay for the maintenance, I'll all for it.
THATmanMANNY
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nah, give us dirt roads and safari everything
qclabrat
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How many Tesla owners and passengers know how not to get trapped in their cars?
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Tesla, the death of 4 people on a Model Y scares: here's how to manually unlock the car doors in an emergency
In the event of an electronic failure or power failure, Tesla doors can remain locked. Here's how to manually open the front and rear doors in emergency situations
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How many Tesla owners and passengers know how not to get trapped in their cars?
Tesla, the death of 4 people on a Model Y scares: here's how to manually unlock the car doors in an emergency
In the event of an electronic failure or power failure, Tesla doors can remain locked. Here's how to manually open the front and rear doors in emergency situations
im sure the answer is very few
How many Tesla owners and passengers know how not to get trapped in their cars?
Tesla, the death of 4 people on a Model Y scares: here's how to manually unlock the car doors in an emergency
In the event of an electronic failure or power failure, Tesla doors can remain locked. Here's how to manually open the front and rear doors in emergency situations
That little speech they give when getting on an airplane is important. might apply here.
I know these doors are not exclusive to teslas, alot of companies use them....I love tech, but I would kinda rather just have an f'ing door handleHow many Tesla owners and passengers know how not to get trapped in their cars?
Tesla, the death of 4 people on a Model Y scares: here's how to manually unlock the car doors in an emergency
In the event of an electronic failure or power failure, Tesla doors can remain locked. Here's how to manually open the front and rear doors in emergency situations
Mahnken
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The emergency latch is what I used for days until I realized there was a button.How many Tesla owners and passengers know how not to get trapped in their cars?
Tesla, the death of 4 people on a Model Y scares: here's how to manually unlock the car doors in an emergency
In the event of an electronic failure or power failure, Tesla doors can remain locked. Here's how to manually open the front and rear doors in emergency situations
qclabrat
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It wasn't obvious for four dead people...
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Not sure if that article ever cut to the chase and explained it, but here it is. The rear sounds like it would be a shit show in an emergency.
Agree, some things just don't need to be teched out.
seems stupid to make the interior release electronic too, (the outside i guess you could argue about, but the inside one? its not like theres any (miniscule) aerodynamic penalty for having it) but even so doesnt everyone keep (at least) one of these in all their cars anyway?
Mahnken
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TommyF
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Most passengers that I've taken in my Y also used the latch to open the door and not the button.
Mahnken
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Yea, I feel like if you're more familiar with some kind of mechanical latch to open the door, that's what you'll be drawn to, not a button. Then the folks in the back could climb out the front. If I was rescuing my young kids from the back I'd probably be more likely to reach back from the front and pull them out the front doors.... Maybe. I dunno... I guess if there were older folks that can't move around to well, they'd be f'ed from the backseat...
I just skimmed the article and the only details of the accident were that someone was able to pull a young woman out after breaking the window. There were 4 other people in there? Were they knocked out after the crash? Were they trying to get out? Would they have been dead anyway if the car didn't catch fire?