Cars, it's electric! Do Do Do

Captain Brainstorm said:
Except in March the administration passed rule, which is basically a de facto mandate, that 2-thirds of new vehicles sold by 2032 be electric, but lets keep pretending that the government has no part in this, and its all consumer driven. And yea, lets see how much money Elon gives back, since he's in the business of giving money away.
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I'm still wondering how road tax is going to work for electrics????
Since they are all s/w, they could pay each state. they know what road they are on most of the time, so no toll booths.

ride share - the car could know multiple people are in the car, and split the costs.

don't worry about the grid - that is a queuing problem mostly at night.
don't worry about the pollution at the generating stations - i'm sure 1 point source of pollution is easier to deal with than 1,000,000. assuming they generate pollution at all.
(ok, the cost to build it, but once we have electric vehicles building generating plants that were sourced by clean energy.........)

that leaves us with the battery problem - that will get solved. As will the fast charging.

we may hit the singularity before then, so it doesn't really matter?
 
Patrick said:
I'm still wondering how road tax is going to work for electrics????
Since they are all s/w, they could pay each state. they know what road they are on most of the time, so no toll booths.

ride share - the car could know multiple people are in the car, and split the costs.

don't worry about the grid - that is a queuing problem mostly at night.
don't worry about the pollution at the generating stations - i'm sure 1 point source of pollution is easier to deal with than 1,000,000. assuming they generate pollution at all.
(ok, the cost to build it, but once we have electric vehicles building generating plants that were sourced by clean energy.........)

that leaves us with the battery problem - that will get solved. As will the fast charging.

we may hit the singularity before then, so it doesn't really matter?
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Here in NC it's $180 a year registration fee for electric cars, $90 for hybrids. It's to cover some of the taxes not collected due to the gas taxes. I think I pay $35 for my gas guzzling Honda Fit registration.

A bunch of (red) states have moved in this direction.
 
Santapez said:
Here in NC it's $180 a year registration fee for electric cars, $90 for hybrids. It's to cover some of the taxes not collected due to the gas taxes. I think I pay $35 for my gas guzzling Honda Fit registration.

A bunch of (red) states have moved in this direction.
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NJ gas tax is $0.432/gal

avg distance per year: 11,300 (KBB)
avg mpg in NJ (2018): 21.3 mpg (DOE) - lets bump it to 25 ?

11,300 / 25 = number of gallons per year = 452
452 * .432 = $195

So that is a decent number.

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As an aside - when you think in terms of using 500g/yr - getting crazy over the price of gas is just silly.
 
Patrick said:
I'm still wondering how road tax is going to work for electrics????
Since they are all s/w, they could pay each state. they know what road they are on most of the time, so no toll booths.

ride share - the car could know multiple people are in the car, and split the costs.

don't worry about the grid - that is a queuing problem mostly at night.
don't worry about the pollution at the generating stations - i'm sure 1 point source of pollution is easier to deal with than 1,000,000. assuming they generate pollution at all.
(ok, the cost to build it, but once we have electric vehicles building generating plants that were sourced by clean energy.........)

that leaves us with the battery problem - that will get solved. As will the fast charging.

we may hit the singularity before then, so it doesn't really matter?
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But won't they be on most roads, most of the time since they will replace ICE cars?

Ride share - Do you really want to share you're data? Slippery slope to increasing government monitoring and control, I mean unless that's ok with everyone?

I won't worry about the grid, like all of life's problems, it will go away and fix itself on its own. It will all be clean energy because we'll switch to nuclear, I mean nucular, right?

The battery problem is a chemistry and physics problem, of which we are at the point where there are no simple solutions, unless we split more atoms, but you know how everyone feels about that.

Someone will set off an EMP and we'll back to horse and buggy, or better yet bikes!!!! Life will be simple again.
 
Captain Brainstorm said:
But won't they be on most roads, most of the time since they will replace ICE cars?
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I was thinking in terms of how the tax will be implemented -
taxing gas puts the tax on the users (same as tolls)
taxing registration over-taxes the low users, under-taxes the high users.

but the avg works out as noted.

on the data - well, I have a transponder and cellular device built into my car.
I carry another around most of the time.
they already know.
 
SAM said:
Huh?
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idk who passed it, epa or some such but there was a recent law requiring a certain percentage of new vehicles sold (i is around 2/3 i dont remember the exact number) to be battery electrics by some seemingly arbitrary date (2032 i guess), i completely see his point that this rule is the govt forcing the market instead of letting the free market drive things towards the best option
 
shrpshtr325 said:
idk who passed it, epa or some such but there was a recent law requiring a certain percentage of new vehicles sold (i is around 2/3 i dont remember the exact number) to be battery electrics by some seemingly arbitrary date (2032 i guess), i completely see his point that this rule is the govt forcing the market instead of letting the free market drive things towards the best option
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There are mandates - and the punishment is loss of funds, or the car comes with a tax.

Note that SUVs, Trucks, and Vans are not subject to the tax, cause when it was enacted, they were mostly commercial vehicles.

I saw 2026 required 40mpg. not sure if that is across the line avg, or each vehicle....
 
Patrick said:
There are mandates - and the punishment is loss of funds, or the car comes with a tax.

Note that SUVs, Trucks, and Vans are not subject to the tax, cause when it was enacted, they were mostly commercial vehicles.

I saw 2026 required 40mpg. not sure if that is across the line avg, or each vehicle....
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40mpg manufacturer average. It's why the Cayman is going EV so they can keep selling Cayennes with V8s. And they sell enough Macans and Cayennes to keep developing the 911.
 
The movie Maximum Overdrive comes to mind. Speaking of which I got my first ride in a Cyber Truck. Interesting but unimpressed. I'll stick to my cheap Jeep for now.
 
UtahJoe said:
OK so that's considerably more expensive than what it would cost me to drive my focus for 840 miles that gets 35 mpg... Would cost $75 at $3.15 a gallon.... Dam, they really fuck you over at the Elon stations
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At ~$93/tank, that trip would cost me considerable more. But horses for courses I guess…
 
Santapez said:
That's pretty high if yearly.

That's more than a car getting 30mpg for 15k of driving a year.
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Not following? Yes, $310 > $60

Total cost is $310 and they are adding $10 per year on the $250 EV fee until max $290. Then $290 going fwd.

Then what $500 going fwd when new ICE cars are banned?
 
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