Windows 7

jShort

2018 Fantasy Football Toilet Bowl Lead Technician
Team MTBNJ Halter's
I have a spare hard drive for my laptop so i decided to give it a try.
I have to say i came away very impressed. The install was totally painless. I have a lenovo R61i and it found everything other then the Fingerprint swiper.

I am especially impressed with IE8 Beta. it flies. I have Firefox 3 and IE 8 installed and IE seems to blow it away.


So far on this laptop I have used XP, Vista, 7, Ubuntu, Fedora, and red hat.

I cant believe i am saying this, but so far... 7 is the best yet....
Its only beta so i wouldnt install it on a PC you depend on. And if your not somewhat experienced with computers, i would say wait till it is oficially released.

But for those who are bored and going nuts being stuck inside and need something to do, give it a shot .
 

tonyride

Don't piss off the red guy
Until I hear results from a good number of users, testers, and software experts, I'll stick with my Mac OS X.
 

axcxnj

Hipster Keys
ive been hearing alot of good things about windows 7, i think ill skip vista all together and have my next computer be windows 7
 

gtluke

The Moped
7 may finally pry me away from ubuntu, which has been letting me down as of late. kde4 is beautiful but i swear it's still an alpha. I even installed kde4.2 this weekend and it's still hasn't fixed my major complaints
 

syadasti

Wet Rag
7 may finally pry me away from ubuntu, which has been letting me down as of late. kde4 is beautiful but i swear it's still an alpha. I even installed kde4.2 this weekend and it's still hasn't fixed my major complaints

What problems are you having with Ubuntu specifically?

I've been testing the 7 Beta and have only found a few very minor issues. I'm pretty certain it will replace XP for most (I haven't used Vista since the betas but 7 is great). Ubuntu 8.10 was pretty buggy when it first came out but I've sorted most of them and I'm pretty happy now that Creative has released XFi drivers for Linux (only took them three years).
 

gtluke

The Moped
It's mostly just GUI stuff. A lot of selection boxes in firefox are unreadable. It might be more of a skin issue than really a KDE issue.
Also ktorrent randomly crashes if certain torrents are downloading. Really hard to figure out which one is doing it, really annoying.
That and ktorrent pisses me off that I can't sort by completion date. I almost prefer to run utorrent in wine just so I can do that. I haven't found any other linux torrent applications that I like.
I don't know anything about programming to fix these things.
It's not that big of a deal though. I enjoy using an OS that has more personality and requires some tending to like ubuntu. I guess that's why I drive crappy cars too :D
 

jShort

2018 Fantasy Football Toilet Bowl Lead Technician
Team MTBNJ Halter's
I actually tried using Ubuntu on my work laptop. I lasted about 4 months too. I really wanted to be free of Microsoft… but I just could not do it. When I had to use apps that required a windows os I would use VMware, but that got very old very fast. It defeated the purpose –which was simplicity.
I still use ubuntu on my work laptop, but it’s a dual boot with a copy of XP pro (which I find myself using more than the linux)

I don’t think Win 7 will win over too many Mac converts, but it should make people forget about the disaster that was Vista.
 

syadasti

Wet Rag
Are you having the visual issues with 8.10? I've noticed before too, but it doesn't bother me much. 8.04 is more polished for sure. I don't really care for the accelerated effects and turn them off in almost all OS (Windows 7 I'm using them though since its a beta and you are supposed to test it plus I have a 7900 GTO which should speed up such effects). I don't use torrent apps in either OS, so I can't say much about that.

FYI, Windows 7 beta includes an insecure old version of MSXML 4.0 and AFAIK right now Windows Update won't detect the problem. You can download and install the patch (must right click it and choose run as admin to install): http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...3c-5261-4f69-83d0-932c430abd14&displaylang=en

You can thank Secunia's PSI tool - I recommend it for any Windows installation: http://secunia.com/vulnerability_scanning/personal/. Its a great tool and I am not aware of such a comprehensive free tool for most other OS.
 

gtluke

The Moped
yeah actually it's mostly visual stuff.
and really, I'm struggling not being able to use adobe lightroom at home. Well I take my work laptop home but using it not docked into my nice 22" screen/keyboard/mouse is a pain in the ass.

Today I ordered a 35ft HDMI cable, HDMI asus 22" widescreen, and a HDMI cheepy video card. I ran the USB extension over the weekend from my TV to my desk where I have my xp-64 media PC. So, by next weekend I'll have a 'workstation' at my desk where I can access my media PC. I'll probably end up just using that. Thankfully I have a drop ceiling in my porno 70's basement apartment. to make cable routing really easy. HDMI and USB make things SOOOO easy now. 1 USB cable to power my keyboard, which has 4 usb ports for mouse/usb drives/whatever. And the HDMI will have audio injected, with built in speakers in the monitor, and SPDIF out, which I can jack into my 5.1 surround at my desk too. 2 cables for everything. Man this would have sucked 5 years ago with some retarded KVM switch and no directx to support 2 monitors at completely different resolutions (1080i tv, and computer monitor)
:D
 

shrpshtr325

Infinite Source of Sarcasm
Team MTBNJ Halter's
i have been using windows 7 for almost 2 weeks now, i have not found any problems with it yet that affect its performance for me, a couple of gadgets on google desktop dont agree w/ 7, but it sleeps ALOT better than vista and boots ALOT faster, no complaints from me,

o . . . and btw im running it on a seperate partition with vista as my primary OS (need it for a bunch of software that the school provided me with :( ) and ubuntu, the latest release 8.1 i think (triple boot)
 

f2f4

New Member
Not too impressed by 7.

Looks pretty. Good task management.

Horrible driver compatibility. DRM hooks everywhere in the kernel. Calls home to Microsoft all the time about what you're doing and what files you're accessing. Firewall back doors galore.

I'll go back to Linux. Again.
 

syadasti

Wet Rag
Not too impressed by 7.

Looks pretty. Good task management.

Horrible driver compatibility. DRM hooks everywhere in the kernel. Calls home to Microsoft all the time about what you're doing and what files you're accessing. Firewall back doors galore.

I'll go back to Linux. Again.

Zero driver (or third party software) problems for me while Ubuntu 8.10 was pretty wonky and still isn't 100% (8.04 was fine though). Privacy concerns are all alluded to in the software agreement. Its a beta and they want to get as much info as possible - its not really free, Microsoft wants useful information in return - most people are too lazy to send feedback information on their own.
 
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MST.ESQ

New Member
Though I agree with the inability to properly "sleep" the machine - why such a bad rap for Vista? It runs great on my Dell XPS 1330. But that may be because I bought the upgraded processor and jammed it full of RAM.

My wife is working from home today and begged me to leave her my Dell/Vista so she could work on some web development. Funny how the right click capability alone (nevermind the issue of cross-compatability with business apps) will cause her to leave her MacBook Pro turned off for the day...:rolleyes:
 

syadasti

Wet Rag
Funny how the right click capability alone (nevermind the issue of cross-compatability with business apps) will cause her to leave her MacBook Pro turned off for the day...:rolleyes:

Buy her a regular bluetooth mouse... If she needs access to PC apps, a VM solution too - Parallels or Fusion
 
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gtluke

The Moped
vista has a bad rap because apple had such a huge marketing campaign against it. there is nothing wrong with vista, there is tons wrong with retards who thought they could install it on their old computers.
microsoft has it really rough when it comes to this. they dont' make hardware, but they have to make sure their OS works with every popular hardware config as well as every made in china piece of crap computer cranked out by the discounters.
apple has to worry about only what it sells, and they hardly ever update their hardware. so they physically can check every piece of hardware out to make sure it works find. which is easy for them because for instance that's what, 8 motherboards that they have sold in the last 4 years versus the probably over 3,000 different motherboards that you could buy to run windows. those motherboard manufactureres NOW are making the vista drivers, but they don't spend the money to update their old crap. and when your old crap doesnt' function correctly with vista, you blame microsoft.
the problem was never vista, it's hardware vendor's writing bad or incomplete drivers
 

Norm

Mayor McCheese
Team MTBNJ Halter's
and when your old crap doesnt' function correctly with vista, you blame microsoft.

When my car doesn't start, I blame Microsoft. It's the in thing to do.

You know it really pisses me off that I can't really ride today because Microsoft made it snow.
 

jShort

2018 Fantasy Football Toilet Bowl Lead Technician
Team MTBNJ Halter's
vista has a bad rap because apple had such a huge marketing campaign against it. there is nothing wrong with vista, there is tons wrong with retards who thought they could install it on their old computers.
microsoft has it really rough when it comes to this. they dont' make hardware, but they have to make sure their OS works with every popular hardware config as well as every made in china piece of crap computer cranked out by the discounters.
apple has to worry about only what it sells, and they hardly ever update their hardware. so they physically can check every piece of hardware out to make sure it works find. which is easy for them because for instance that's what, 8 motherboards that they have sold in the last 4 years versus the probably over 3,000 different motherboards that you could buy to run windows. those motherboard manufactureres NOW are making the vista drivers, but they don't spend the money to update their old crap. and when your old crap doesnt' function correctly with vista, you blame microsoft.
the problem was never vista, it's hardware vendor's writing bad or incomplete drivers

Microsoft doublestepped on their minimum requirements for desktop standards early on. They allowed the Vista OS to be installed on PCs with inadequate hardware. They were as much at fault as the hardware manufacturers.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/microsoft/2008403670_microsoft18.html

and vista does suck.. even with high end hardware, it is outperformed time and time again by XP in multiple benchmark tests.
 
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syadasti

Wet Rag
and vista does suck.. even with high end hardware, it is outperformed time and time again by XP in multiple benchmark tests.

Thats how it is with any OS these days - more features(bloat) and slower than prior. XP is also slower than 2000.
 

jShort

2018 Fantasy Football Toilet Bowl Lead Technician
Team MTBNJ Halter's
Thats how it is with any OS these days - more features(bloat) and slower than prior. XP is also slower than 2000.

XP blows 2000 away in hardware compatibility though. Vista tried to do too much. I hope MS learned it lesson and focuses more on performance than pretty pictures.. from what i have seen of Win 7 so far, they are.
Granted, that could all change with release candidates coming out..
 

syadasti

Wet Rag
XP blows 2000 away in hardware compatibility though.

They both use the same driver model so if there is a driver for XP, it will work in 2000. Obviously there are more default drivers in XP than 2000 since its newer but all you need is a driver disk or access to the Internet. If you have the latest hardware chances are no OS will come with the drivers and its usually best to download the latest drivers anyways. You can use third party or MS patches to make up for other short comings in out of the box support...
 
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