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I've been thinking about updating my madone. Wanting modern stuff, ie disc brake, thru axles. A trek domane sl5 has been what I've been eying but just having a hard time with spending $3500 on a bike now. Canyon sale ad came up in my fb feed and I clicked. Considering this https://www.canyon.com/en-us/road-b...nfarbe=R076_P06&dwvar_3707_pv_rahmengroesse=M . That price would be more palatable right now, a $1k less for same spec. Anyone here have one that could give their opinion on it?
 
My opinion, purchasing the Trek from an LBS gets you a location to take the bike for any warranty claims. If you already have relationship with an LBS, then maybe they can do better on the price, toss in some other items or service.

With the Canyon, I recall some discussions on here in the past about warranty issues. @jdog mentioned some things in several threads.
 
I'd agree with the above comment. Admittedly a Trek fanboy, but if you are looking to optimize your spend on a great deal and still get a trek, they started offering "used like new" bikes last year via Trek Red Barn:


Friend of mine got a killer deal back in March on a Madone Gen 7 that was clearly only a show bike but was considered used.

edit - and you get warranty on frame and fork
 
I'd agree with the above comment. Admittedly a Trek fanboy, but if you are looking to optimize your spend on a great deal and still get a trek, they started offering "used like new" bikes last year via Trek Red Barn:


Friend of mine got a killer deal back in March on a Madone Gen 7 that was clearly only a show bike but was considered used.

edit - and you get warranty on frame and fork
Also had two friends who got great deals from Trek travel on used bikes. Both bikes were in great shape.
 
Buy a bike that will be 5 years ahead of its time. Get a xc race bike and mount drop bars, drop shifters and skinny tires. Road bikes are chasing xc bike geometry these days. Get another set of wheels to mount xc tires and you have a drop bar xc bike to race the Leadville 100😁
 
I'd agree with the above comment. Admittedly a Trek fanboy, but if you are looking to optimize your spend on a great deal and still get a trek, they started offering "used like new" bikes last year via Trek Red Barn:


Friend of mine got a killer deal back in March on a Madone Gen 7 that was clearly only a show bike but was considered used.

edit - and you get warranty on frame and fork
I got my Top Fuel from the Red Barn Refresh this past march. Super smooth experience, bike came packaged well, and it looked barely used (pretty sure it was a floor model or something). It was a custom build but it must've been at least 50% off MSRP, would definitely recommend.
 
I'll chime in as I deal daily with the many customers who got a "deal" on their canyon. Last week a dealt with a guy who was on his fifth failed canyon.


I this case canyon reimbursed him to have us fix his broken, brand new bike.


Bikes these days are not simple. Most of the drama that these bikes carry is based on pulling a bike shop out of the financial equation, but still relying on bike shops to clean up the mess that is created in the original purchase.

I know this sounds like sour grapes coming from a shop guy, but the fact of the matter is that most (or at least many) riders are not equipped to build and maintain their own bike. This is especially true in a case where all the technology on a modern bike is foreign to someone who last bought a bike over ten years ago. (this is most canyon buyers btw)

On the road side, fit is severely compromised with canyon. Most will use their fit guide. (I just used it and it recommended an EXTRA SMALL for me, where my experience says i would need a Med or LG). Customers come in with a poorly assembled bike (which we charge them to repair) and then come for a paid fitting service, where 9 out of ten times we discover that they have ordered the wrong size. If they have the right size, they usually have a bike with a one piece bar/stem combo. This means that in order to change either or both the bar width and stem length, they have to buy a new bar & stem and pay someone to rerun the hydro lines etc. (think $500++) Most people will reject this expense and deal with a bar/ stem that's "close enough". After the dance that occurs to make this "deal" of a bike work, most if not all the savings is absorbed in paying to make it work.


Losing your advocate:

What most people don't see is that bike shops are now spending at least 1/2 of their days chasing warranty claims. This is from bike brands, suspension brands, tire brands, bike part mfgers. etc. In most cases, we do not charge for our time advocating for someone who buys a bike from our shop. If you buy a canyon, you become your own advocate and in my experience, they can't and won't go to bat for you.


In the case of our shop, we are selling bikes at retail. This is why we are called bicycle retailers. In this model, we buy bikes at wholesale (which is what canyon basically is charging btw) and we re-sell these bikes at retail pricing. This means that we earn a margin from the selling process. Those earned margin dollars are used to pay our rent, insurance, payroll, and various unseen costs that are not insignificant. We this in mind we often can't be be competitive on the initial buy, but the initial buy isn't the true cost.

Since you are paying more at a LBS you would hope that you would get more, and you would be right.

I can't speak for other shops, but here is what you might get in our shop as compared to canyon.

We sell more than a few brands of bikes. One reason for this, is that each brand has a unique or slightly unique geo for their bikes. This means that among a series of brands, one will stand out as a better fit for your body shape. Some will be way worse. (This is why I ride a custom geo bike btw. ) A part of our fitting process it determining an ideal stack & reach and figuring out which of a variety of brands is the best possible combo of those. We include this in a bike purchase from our shop.

Most bikes need some level of follow up service after a few rides. We include follow up service for the first year with a bike purchase. Canyon does not and can not.
In our case, we are doing advocacy and trail building work locally to make something more of our local cycling scene. Canyon does not.
We support Jorba, Nica and a variety of local charity rides. Canyon does not.
Each bike we sell ads to our cycling scene and cycling community. Canyon could GAF about that.


At this point, many shops have leftover bikes on hand that come close to what a new canyon will sell for. If a shop includes a detailed fitting (this should be 1-2 hour btw), follow up service etc, the true price should be pretty darn close.



I'll end by saying that IF you are comfortable working on tubeless tires, wireless shifting, hydraulic brakes, fitting your own bike ( or paying someone $100s to do so), doing your own warranty work (good luck) and basically showing every bike shop employee you ever meet that you don't care to contribute to their lifestyle and ability to support their family, then by all means buy one.





As a comparison to the original bike mentioned, this Cannondale synapse is a lot more on paper ($4500), but considering we have them at 20% off right now ($3599), it comes fully assembled, includes powerful F&R lights, with a 2 hr fitting and includes a year of free service.. it's not that far off.
 
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As someone who tends to do a lot of work on my own bikes, I will say the investment I've made in special tools is NOT insubstantial. Every time some new standard comes along, I end up buying whatever tools are needed to work on that standard. Internal cable routing? Yep - got the tool to do those. Press-fit bottom bracket? Covered there too. And it seems like every bike I get has me buying some new bottom bracket cup socket. Granted, I have enough experience from 40+ years of wrenching on my own bikes as well as DIY car work, that I generally follow the "buy once, cry once" theory when it comes to tools. So most of my tools were not cheap and are the same ones you'll find in bike shops.

That said, I definitely plan to take my recently purchased Heckler back to Halter's for a once-over in a few weeks (after I return from an un-planned trip to western NC).
 
I'd agree with the above comment. Admittedly a Trek fanboy, but if you are looking to optimize your spend on a great deal and still get a trek, they started offering "used like new" bikes last year via Trek Red Barn:


Friend of mine got a killer deal back in March on a Madone Gen 7 that was clearly only a show bike but was considered used.

edit - and you get warranty on frame and fork
Thanks for this. I didn’t see it on their website. Nothing available now in the model and size I need. I’ll check back as pricing seems good and I’m in no rush.
I'll chime in as I deal daily with the many customers who got a "deal" on their canyon. Last week a dealt with a guy who was on his fifth failed canyon.


I this case canyon reimbursed him to have us fix his broken, brand new bike.


Bikes these days are not simple. Most of the drama that these bikes carry is based on pulling a bike shop out of the financial equation, but still relying on bike shops to clean up the mess that is created in the original purchase.

I know this sounds like sour grapes coming from a shop guy, but the fact of the matter is that most (or at least many) riders are not equipped to build and maintain their own bike. This is especially true in a case where all the technology on a modern bike is foreign to someone who last bought a bike over ten years ago. (this is most canyon buyers btw)

On the road side, fit is severely compromised with canyon. Most will use their fit guide. (I just used it and it recommended an EXTRA SMALL for me, where my experience says i would need a Med or LG). Customers come in with a poorly assembled bike (which we charge them to repair) and then come for a paid fitting service, where 9 out of ten times we discover that they have ordered the wrong size. If they have the right size, they usually have a bike with a one piece bar/stem combo. This means that in order to change either or both the bar width and stem length, they have to buy a new bar & stem and pay someone to rerun the hydro lines etc. (think $500++) Most people will reject this expense and deal with a bar/ stem that's "close enough". After the dance that occurs to make this "deal" of a bike work, most if not all the savings is absorbed in paying to make it work.


Losing your advocate:

What most people don't see is that bike shops are now spending at least 1/2 of their days chasing warranty claims. This is from bike brands, suspension brands, tire brands, bike part mfgers. etc. In most cases, we do not charge for our time advocating for someone who buys a bike from our shop. If you buy a canyon, you become your own advocate and in my experience, they can't and won't go to bat for you.


In the case of our shop, we are selling bikes at retail. This is why we are called bicycle retailers. In this model, we buy bikes at wholesale (which is what canyon basically is charging btw) and we re-sell these bikes at retail pricing. This means that we earn a margin from the selling process. Those earned margin dollars are used to pay our rent, insurance, payroll, and various unseen costs that are not insignificant. We this in mind we often can't be be competitive on the initial buy, but the initial buy isn't the true cost.

Since you are paying more at a LBS you would hope that you would get more, and you would be right.

I can't speak for other shops, but here is what you might get in our shop as compared to canyon.

We sell more than a few brands of bikes. One reason for this, is that each brand has a unique or slightly unique geo for their bikes. This means that among a series of brands, one will stand out as a better fit for your body shape. Some will be way worse. (This is why I ride a custom geo bike btw. ) A part of our fitting process it determining an ideal stack & reach and figuring out which of a variety of brands is the best possible combo of those. We include this in a bike purchase from our shop.

Most bikes need some level of follow up service after a few rides. We include follow up service for the first year with a bike purchase. Canyon does not and can not.
In our case, we are doing advocacy and trail building work locally to make something more of our local cycling scene. Canyon does not.
We support Jorba, Nica and a variety of local charity rides. Canyon does not.
Each bike we sell ads to our cycling scene and cycling community. Canyon could GAF about that.


At this point, many shops have leftover bikes on hand that come close to what a new canyon will sell for. If a shop includes a detailed fitting (this should be 1-2 hour btw), follow up service etc, the true price should be pretty darn close.



I'll end by saying that IF you are comfortable working on tubeless tires, wireless shifting, hydraulic brakes, fitting your own bike ( or paying someone $100s to do so), doing your own warranty work (good luck) and basically showing every bike shop employee you ever meet that you don't care to contribute to their lifestyle and ability to support their family, then by all means buy one.





As a comparison to the original bike mentioned, this Cannondale synapse is a lot more on paper ($4500), but considering we have them at 20% off right now ($3599), it comes fully assembled, includes powerful F&R lights, with a 2 hr fitting and includes a year of free service.. it's not that far off.
I was a bike mechanic for years I’m able and equipped to build and maintain it. Not sure how to take your employee comment. Understand that there two sides to it. I have my lifestyle and family to support. Thanks for the synapse offer, but it’s even more than the amount I said I don’t want to spend.
 
Thanks for this. I didn’t see it on their website. Nothing available now in the model and size I need. I’ll check back as pricing seems good and I’m in no rush.

I was a bike mechanic for years I’m able and equipped to build and maintain it. Not sure how to take your employee comment. Understand that there two sides to it. I have my lifestyle and family to support. Thanks for the synapse offer, but it’s even more than the amount I said I don’t want to spend.
Someone who has been a mechanic is a perfect candidate for a canyon. Someone who doesn’t feel comfortable assembling IKEA furniture is certainly not.
 
Someone who has been a mechanic is a perfect candidate for a canyon. Someone who doesn’t feel comfortable assembling IKEA furniture is certainly not.
I agree. Had a customer bring his kids bike in with black goo coating both rims. Turned out to be grease. He said the brakes squeaked and that’s why he did it. My expression said what my mouth didn’t. He should not be allowed around tools. I was kinda happy he left. I was not looking forward to putting that much effort into a Magna.
 
I'll chime in as I deal daily with the many customers who got a "deal" on their canyon. Last week a dealt with a guy who was on his fifth failed canyon.


I this case canyon reimbursed him to have us fix his broken, brand new bike.


Bikes these days are not simple. Most of the drama that these bikes carry is based on pulling a bike shop out of the financial equation, but still relying on bike shops to clean up the mess that is created in the original purchase.

I know this sounds like sour grapes coming from a shop guy, but the fact of the matter is that most (or at least many) riders are not equipped to build and maintain their own bike. This is especially true in a case where all the technology on a modern bike is foreign to someone who last bought a bike over ten years ago. (this is most canyon buyers btw)

On the road side, fit is severely compromised with canyon. Most will use their fit guide. (I just used it and it recommended an EXTRA SMALL for me, where my experience says i would need a Med or LG). Customers come in with a poorly assembled bike (which we charge them to repair) and then come for a paid fitting service, where 9 out of ten times we discover that they have ordered the wrong size. If they have the right size, they usually have a bike with a one piece bar/stem combo. This means that in order to change either or both the bar width and stem length, they have to buy a new bar & stem and pay someone to rerun the hydro lines etc. (think $500++) Most people will reject this expense and deal with a bar/ stem that's "close enough". After the dance that occurs to make this "deal" of a bike work, most if not all the savings is absorbed in paying to make it work.


Losing your advocate:

What most people don't see is that bike shops are now spending at least 1/2 of their days chasing warranty claims. This is from bike brands, suspension brands, tire brands, bike part mfgers. etc. In most cases, we do not charge for our time advocating for someone who buys a bike from our shop. If you buy a canyon, you become your own advocate and in my experience, they can't and won't go to bat for you.


In the case of our shop, we are selling bikes at retail. This is why we are called bicycle retailers. In this model, we buy bikes at wholesale (which is what canyon basically is charging btw) and we re-sell these bikes at retail pricing. This means that we earn a margin from the selling process. Those earned margin dollars are used to pay our rent, insurance, payroll, and various unseen costs that are not insignificant. We this in mind we often can't be be competitive on the initial buy, but the initial buy isn't the true cost.

Since you are paying more at a LBS you would hope that you would get more, and you would be right.

I can't speak for other shops, but here is what you might get in our shop as compared to canyon.

We sell more than a few brands of bikes. One reason for this, is that each brand has a unique or slightly unique geo for their bikes. This means that among a series of brands, one will stand out as a better fit for your body shape. Some will be way worse. (This is why I ride a custom geo bike btw. ) A part of our fitting process it determining an ideal stack & reach and figuring out which of a variety of brands is the best possible combo of those. We include this in a bike purchase from our shop.

Most bikes need some level of follow up service after a few rides. We include follow up service for the first year with a bike purchase. Canyon does not and can not.
In our case, we are doing advocacy and trail building work locally to make something more of our local cycling scene. Canyon does not.
We support Jorba, Nica and a variety of local charity rides. Canyon does not.
Each bike we sell ads to our cycling scene and cycling community. Canyon could GAF about that.


At this point, many shops have leftover bikes on hand that come close to what a new canyon will sell for. If a shop includes a detailed fitting (this should be 1-2 hour btw), follow up service etc, the true price should be pretty darn close.



I'll end by saying that IF you are comfortable working on tubeless tires, wireless shifting, hydraulic brakes, fitting your own bike ( or paying someone $100s to do so), doing your own warranty work (good luck) and basically showing every bike shop employee you ever meet that you don't care to contribute to their lifestyle and ability to support their family, then by all means buy one.





As a comparison to the original bike mentioned, this Cannondale synapse is a lot more on paper ($4500), but considering we have them at 20% off right now ($3599), it comes fully assembled, includes powerful F&R lights, with a 2 hr fitting and includes a year of free service.. it's not that far off.
Nice post. Too bad the majority of the population only seems to care about price. Nothing else. My going out of business sale only reinforced what I already knew. People could not care less when I explained that, yes it's a killer deal, but that doesn't matter because it's totally the wrong size. They'd rather save the money and ride the wrong size bike.
 
Nice post. Too bad the majority of the population only seems to care about price. Nothing else. My going out of business sale only reinforced what I already knew. People could not care less when I explained that, yes it's a killer deal, but that doesn't matter because it's totally the wrong size. They'd rather save the money and ride the wrong size bike.
They care about price, because the bike you sold them for a great price is probably already for sale on FB marketplace......
 
I didn't fully realize how expensive bicycle prices are in comparison to other recreational vehicles until a few years ago when I walked into a Harley Davidson dealership. They have complete motorcycles with MSRP less than many high end analog bicycles from mainstream brands. Granted, the Harleys I'm talking about are beginner bikes but HD tend to have premium pricing so if they can offer a motorcycle for $10K that is amazing. Granted, economy of scale plays a huge role in being able to keep prices down but it how many $10K bikes can HD sell to reach that price point?
 
@iman29 just wanted to thank you for pointing Red Barn Refresh out to me. Just bought myself a Domane SL6 yea me!!
That’s awesome congrats ! It seems to still be somewhat low key but the deals on there are awesome. And you got a warranty and can still get service at a trek dealer.

Post pics when it arrives.
 
That’s awesome congrats ! It seems to still be somewhat low key but the deals on there are awesome. And you got a warranty and can still get service at a trek dealer.

Post pics when it arrives.
This is going to sound weird but I hope I get it. I made the purchase, got a confirmation email from trek, yet it’s still on the site for sale. I cleared my cookies and refreshed and I can still put it in cart for purchase. Wondering if I’m going to get a cancelation email after the holiday that it had been purchased before me.
 
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